Comments Thread For: Carl Froch: Damn Right I'm Ready To Retire!

[King_]

Surely someone is gonna come save me ITT

[BattlingNelson]

Battling: I never said Kessler wasn't a top SMW. He was.


that's not what I'm saying.



But Kessler indeed being a top 3 SMW is what my point is...... The division wasn't very good. I feel Kessler and Froch are/were products of a bad division.

I know you just said he was 'overrated' which was the point I adressed. I just don't understand who has overrated him and how they did that. What did those guys claim?

[King_]

So if he has a great resume then why is it overrated? You've acknowledged yourself that its great.
Kessler also beat Andrade when he was on top of his game & destroyed Beyer.
Froch many wins over many other good fighters; Groves has a very good win over DeGale and can bounce back. Dirrells a very good fighter and will no doubt be a world champion someday in the near future.
Those are attributes not ''skills''
Froch is a top fighter, unquestionably one of the best of this era

It's overrated because a lot of the guys in the division at that time.... Kessler, Abraham, for example: weren't very good. They're all products of a bad division.

Froch has a good resume because he beat the top fighters, but the top fighters weren't very good.


Froch is an average fighter who was a top fighter who beat top fighters.... but none were "elite." With Bute, Dirrell and Pascal really only being the skilled fighters he beat.


Froch = Geale. Average fighter who beat top fighters to make it to the top of a bad division.

I've yet to see you name any skills besides those which I already listed. I never once said anything as bad about Froch as you're making it seem. I said he fights like a drunken caveman and that has all of you guys upset.... yet you can't provide details as to HOW he doesn't fight like that.


I have no idea why you mentioned Groves- he beat DeGale? What has DeGale done? That's a domestic level fight. It's funny you're mentioning Groves/Dirrell... because like I already said- when talking about those two you're just giving the "eye test" because they've accomplished NOTHING. Yet when it came to Golovkin.... "The eye test? Are you kidding me? He has to accomplish something"

[M Bison]

Too bad I'd have really liked to have seen If GGG or Kovalev could crack that jaw of his.

[BattlingNelson]

Froch = Geale.

[yoz]

It's overrated because a lot of the guys in the division at that time.... Kessler, Abraham, for example: weren't very good. They're all products of a bad division.

Froch has a good resume because he beat the top fighters, but the top fighters weren't very good.


Froch is an average fighter who was a top fighter who beat top fighters.... but none were "elite." With Bute, Dirrell and Pascal really only being the skilled fighters he beat.


Froch = Geale. Average fighter who beat top fighters to make it to the top of a bad division.

I've yet to see you name any skills besides those which I already listed. I never once said anything as bad about Froch as you're making it seem. I said he fights like a drunken caveman and that has all of you guys upset.... yet you can't provide details as to HOW he doesn't fight like that.


I have no idea why you mentioned Groves- he beat DeGale? What has DeGale done? That's a domestic level fight. It's funny you're mentioning Groves/Dirrell... because like I already said- when talking about those two you're just giving the "eye test" because they've accomplished NOTHING. Yet when it came to Golovkin.... "The eye test? Are you kidding me? He has to accomplish something"

[King_]

I know you just said he was 'overrated' which was the point I adressed. I just don't understand who has overrated him and how they did that. What did those guys claim?

I said why he's overrated already.

Nobody claimed anything- but people claim Froch to be some untouchable god who cannot be criticized. Yet he lost to Kessler- an OKAY fighter. And that's one of his best wins.

The SMW division of the last 7 years (for the most part) ****** and most of the guys were products of bad division.


Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler are average fighters. That's my point.

Froch = Geale.

Yes- top fighters in a bad division.... but average fighters skill wise and no real skills besides tough guy attributes.

Nothing exceptional- just average at everything with stamina and Froch has a chin.


OH yeah.. I forgot Froch has "reach" and "ring IQ" as well

[King_]

In This Thread: People still can't tell us what makes Carl Froch great.... besides his resume.



That's the point I'm making and have been making.



Take away Carl Froch's resume of overrated "top fighters" and you have a guy who has very little skill who fights like a caveman.


I guess this is a touchy subject.

[Chrismart]

Because Froch is a 'tough guy' and likes a fight..the notion that he's got no skill and can't box is just a lazy one to throw at him. He's not as slick as some out there, obviously, but his boxing is underrated. He was even an underdog in a lot of his later fights..yet found a way to win.

As for retirement..then he should if that's what he wants. He's got nothing else to prove; multiple world champion, great resume, faced the best fighters in his division in a long run of tough fights.

It would be nice for him to get his big Vegas fight before he retires..but that looks un-likely now. So, if he signs off with a KO win in the biggest fight in British Boxing..then it's a good way to go.

It will be a shame when he does retire though, as he's from an old breed who fight the best in the division..which is not very common in todays generation of fighters.

[dan_cov]

It's overrated because a lot of the guys in the division at that time.... Kessler, Abraham, for example: weren't very good. They're all products of a bad division.

Froch has a good resume because he beat the top fighters, but the top fighters weren't very good.


Froch is an average fighter who was a top fighter who beat top fighters.... but none were "elite." With Bute, Dirrell and Pascal really only being the skilled fighters he beat.


Froch = Geale. Average fighter who beat top fighters to make it to the top of a bad division.

I've yet to see you name any skills besides those which I already listed. I never once said anything as bad about Froch as you're making it seem. I said he fights like a drunken caveman and that has all of you guys upset.... yet you can't provide details as to HOW he doesn't fight like that.


I have no idea why you mentioned Groves- he beat DeGale? What has DeGale done? That's a domestic level fight. It's funny you're mentioning Groves/Dirrell... because like I already said- when talking about those two you're just giving the "eye test" because they've accomplished NOTHING. Yet when it came to Golovkin.... "The eye test? Are you kidding me? He has to accomplish something"

Geale? WTF?! lol Geale never beat any top fighters let alone made it to the top. His best win is what a shot-to-**** Mundine? Who beat him the first time around & A guy Kessler toyed with in his prime.

He was an olympic gold medalist and is on the verge of a world title shot. He is clearly a world level fighter.

Its always going to be hard for a fighter like GGG to pass an eye-test with me when hes fighting such low level competition and not having to get out of first gear. Its virtually impossible to see how good he really is though its clearly better than everyone currently at MW.
For the record I don't particularly rate Groves, hes a good 8-10 round fighter.