lomachenko, golovkin, klitschko, and kovalev????????????

[Pigeons]

So it's likely if the soviet had allowed pro boxing there is a high possibility that many of the old greats would had russian names.

But it hasn't been easy for eastern europeans to make it big in the usa, experts and commentators has downplayed their performances and fooled audience to thinking they lack skills and making excuses when their fighter loses.

When espinosa was at hbo they didn't wanna show any eastern europeans that where good. Remember dmitry pirog aganst daniel jacobs, pirog showed a master class boxing with athletism and skills, having KO of the year contender.
He was not gratulated with his new belt or interviewed after the fight and where not welcomed back.
Luckily espinosa left hbo, if not it's a big possibility many of you wouldn't known much about golovkin.
Look at kovalevs story, he fought his 16 first pro fights in usa for free, nobody wanted to sign him. Had he been a latino/ american that would not have been the case naturally.

Stephen Espinoza never worked at HBO, idiot. That was Ross Greenburg. Stephen Espinoza has one of the better Russian prospects on his network, SHO, right now in Beterbiev.

[have_not]

Boxing really need guys like kovalev and golovkin now, guys that take risks, can produce fan friendly fights, score knockouts, are hard men not divas arguing about the smallest thing and not fighting often like ward, mayweather.
Kovalev grew up in the getto, his a hard man but still has values and act like a good person and still can be mean in the ring. Golovkin too

[have_not]

Stephen Espinoza never worked at HBO, idiot. That was Ross Greenburg. Stephen Espinoza has one of the better Russian prospects on his network, SHO, right now in Beterbiev.

Oh my bad **** face, not easy to keep track on whose who with those slimey f*ks like greenburg and espinoza ya know

[Tha_Greatest]

TS seems surprised by the domination from eastern european fighters but it's really no surprise if your from europe.
Americans get brainwashed with sentences like easter europeans are all strenght and no skill.

I break it down: If soviet still was around they would have had the most olympic medals of all the countries by a mile.

In soviet there was not allowed to box as a pro, when soviet falled apart in year 92, a few choosed to turn pro and you could see the signs early with fighters like kostya tsyu: argubly the best jr ww ever, Dariusz Michalczewski: light hw champ, vassily jirov: cw champ, golota: mentally weak but had the fysical tools and skill as you could se n two fights with bowe, Oleg maskaev: contender known for knocking hasim rahman out of ring, so the signs where there and in 96 after klitschko won gold medal as youngest ever in his weight class he turned pro and big bro already was champion in 1999(wbo belt).

i am not surprised, japan and many other countries have a great amount of fighters that never got attention in american televised boxing, lol, when hbo dropped al hayman fighters like mayweather berto, broner ,and other protected but high cost fighters that dukked everyone, lol, hbo made way for the euros to start becoming a dominant force in boxing, lol, before we would get nonsense bouts, lol, klitschko being so dominant would not get airtime on hbo but when hbo dropped hayman, even a force like klitschko is bakk on hbo, lol,

i have to give props to hopkins for fighting one of these so called skilless euro asian bums, lol, hopkins is a class act, i hope cotto gets forced to fight golovkin cause hes recycled, lol cotto is a great fighter but he cant be choosing ducks and holding belts hostage(for his personal big payday), lol, , bernard is a class act

[Elroy1]

Eastern Europe, starting from around war times, began to view athletic and sporting prowess as a sign of strength of their socialist order.

Because of their state oriented system, they became resolute to have the best athletes in the world and implemented programs to achieve that goal. They invested heavily in sport science and selected athletes on their potential while very young which were trained almost religiously from then for the sole goal to win, for the state.

Western countries were never like this, it was always on a private interest basis participation in sports.

Boxing was seen as the pinnacle symbol of strength. But because Soviet boxers were disallowed to box professionally, Western boxers were never able to meet them, except in the Olympics.

Analysis of Olympic boxing shows that there was never any US dominance here. In fact, the Eastern Bloc taken together, which was less populous than the Western Bloc, had somewhat better performance.

With the fall of Communism, suddenly former Soviet boxers entered the professional arena and immediately rose to prominence.

Within about 10 years, all major HW titles were in East European control. Now, virtually all the heavier weight classes are under it.

The moral of the story is, is that these countries would have ALWAYS dominated the sport. Had places like Russia and Ukraine and East Germany been allowed to turn professional in the 20th century, the last great American HW champion would probably have been Joe Louis!

Later champs might never have even existed!

[LomaUsykKlichko]

Lomachenko is probably the most P4P skilled so I see him having the brightest future.

[nivek535]

Boxer punchers. Aka boxers.
Real boxers dont potshot and clinch or run.
Real boxers are like ggg kov Hagler hearns leonard duran etc. All the bests have always been "boxer punchers" (but rly just boxers)

[daggum]

Eastern Europe, starting from around war times, began to view athletic and sporting prowess as a sign of strength of their socialist order.

Because of their state oriented system, they became resolute to have the best athletes in the world and implemented programs to achieve that goal. They invested heavily in sport science and selected athletes on their potential while very young which were trained almost religiously from then for the sole goal to win, for the state.

Western countries were never like this, it was always on a private interest basis participation in sports.

Boxing was seen as the pinnacle symbol of strength. But because Soviet boxers were disallowed to box professionally, Western boxers were never able to meet them, except in the Olympics.

Analysis of Olympic boxing shows that there was never any US dominance here. In fact, the Eastern Bloc taken together, which was less populous than the Western Bloc, had somewhat better performance.

With the fall of Communism, suddenly former Soviet boxers entered the professional arena and immediately rose to prominence.

Within about 10 years, all major HW titles were in East European control. Now, virtually all the heavier weight classes are under it.

The moral of the story is, is that these countries would have ALWAYS dominated the sport. Had places like Russia and Ukraine and East Germany been allowed to turn professional in the 20th century, the last great American HW champion would probably have been Joe Louis!

Later champs might never have even existed!

that's not a moral. that's called speculation. boxing used to be the most popular sport in the US. now it's not even top 10. this decline started in the 80's as the nba and nfl rose to prominence. You said it yourself that western powers were based on private interest. obviously if you have a fringe sport like boxing you aren't going to get a lot of private interest or the best athletes to join it. the new infusion of former soviet talent shakes up the boxing landscape but to say they would have always dominated is based on fantasy. you are applying today's environment to the past when the same interest in boxing just isn't there.

also your contention that louis would have been the last great american champ is comical. ali, frazier, and foreman all won gold medals while beating the best eastern european countries had to offer.

and if you want to talk about the best not turning pro well the best heavyweights who never turned pro were teofilo stevenson and felix savon and they don't look eastern european...






you had a point when talking about state run boxing programs producing top tier fighters but to only say the eastern europeans benefit from this type of program is wrong and cuba proves that.

[Elroy1]

that's not a moral. that's called speculation. boxing used to be the most popular sport in the US. now it's not even top 10. this decline started in the 80's as the nba and nfl rose to prominence. You said it yourself that western powers were based on private interest. obviously if you have a fringe sport like boxing you aren't going to get a lot of private interest or the best athletes to join it. the new infusion of former soviet talent shakes up the boxing landscape but to say they would have always dominated is based on fantasy. you are applying today's environment to the past when the same interest in boxing just isn't there.

also your contention that louis would have been the last great american champ is comical. ali, frazier, and foreman all won gold medals while beating the best eastern european countries had to offer.

and if you want to talk about the best not turning pro well the best heavyweights who never turned pro were teofilo stevenson and felix savon and they don't look eastern european...






you had a point when talking about state run boxing programs producing top tier fighters but to only say the eastern europeans benefit from this type of program is wrong and cuba proves that.

Cuba was part of the Eastern Bloc back then too. They have deviated mainly since the Soviet/Cuban partnership and idea sharing ceased years ago.

There were obviously incidences where the US boxers beat Soviet ones at amateur, I just said there was no dominance. That being said, there are serious questions of how the landscape of boxing would have been different at the least.

The opening paragraph contained the most virulent comments that I thought you were better than Daggum, the claims that Americans are no good at boxing anymore simply because they aren't interested in it anymore.

As I wrote on another thread, boxing has ALWAYS been a fringe sport because of it's toughness, but its champions have always held the highest prestige over all sports in America, "champion of the world" being a symbol of superiority, until recent times it is now shunned.

If Deontay Wilder was to knock out Wladimir Klitschko next year, suddenly it would be a strong division again. Already there were attempts to claim the Kovalev reign as a weak era, take a look.

I reckon if the rest of the world were interested in poofter sports like NFL or baseball, basically wussed down and padded up versions of rugby and cricket, you wouldn't be champions in that either!

[Unseen]

Having seen Polish people work, they don't **** about. They are tough, have engines and don't rest like Wesyerners do.

Europeans are physically strong. A lot are in World's strongest man.