The Official Miguel Cotto-Canelo Alvarez Master Thread

[zuldo]

Nelo

Canelo late stoppeged!!!

[Mr.Fantastic]

Did you forget the rematched? Go figure you have to go back 7 years, to a tainted victory and then like the plaster wraps forget the rematch even happened lol.

Who beat the better version? Cotto beat a better Margarito or did Margarito beat a better Cotto?


Cong**** on Cotto for the rematch win. I'm sure you guys are so happy over a doctor stoppage.

[Mr.Fantastic]

The 9th was probably one of Cotto's best rounds - but who needs facts anyways?

He pushed and pulled Tony, ripped the body, turned him, jabbed him and generally over powered. Just because Tony smiled, doesn't mean he didn't get his ass whupped.

Tony benefitted in the first fight from thudding power and Cotto's broken nose. Neither of that happened. I think if Freddy was in his corner that night, Margarito would have been put to sleep. Diaz trained Cotto had him just outclass him. Freddy would have had him batter Tony.

Tony's a good fighter and got a great win - but Cotto set the record straight with a 9-0 shutout

Cotto corrected some of his mistakes on top of having it in NY. He stayed on the ropes for too long when he fought Margarito the first time. You guys are too salty to look at mistakes a boxer makes in the ring. Surprising because you Cotto stans should of been the first ones to point out the mistakes.

[baya]

Cotto corrected some of his mistakes on top of having it in NY. He stayed on the ropes for too long when he fought Margarito the first time. You guys are too salty to look at mistakes a boxer makes in the ring. Surprising because you Cotto stans should of been the first ones to point out the mistakes.

Cotto did fight the wrong fight in that first one, pocho.

[Fearless Angel]

Physically Canelo has all the advantages, thats obvious.

I'm not sure you can say Canelo has great timing. He has great hand speed and if you stand in front of him (Angulo, Kirkland) he can land a lot of punches.

But when he's fighting someone who can move in and out he has a lot of trouble landing his punches.

The stamina issue its about how you manage your energy in the ring. Its not because they dont train hard or dont have great conditioning.

Cotto with Steward and Roach learned how to do that much better. A lot times when he was with Diaz and the other guy, he moved and threw punches when he didn't have to.

Overall, I think Cotto is the more complete fighter. He has better footwork, jab, timing, better body puncher, throws more punches, etc.

I don't think Cotto needs to "run" or move a lot to beat Canelo. He needs to move in and out, frustrate Canelo and land his punches.

[Publius]

I think people are underestimating heart/desire. To win a high level fight like this against an elite opponent you need to be willing to give everything. I don't think Cotto is willing to do that anymore. He doesn't have the same desire to win that he had when he was younger, and clearly (as he himself says) he is only in it for the money. He is getting paid either way, and has nothing to gain by fighting it out other than a legacy he doesn't care about.

Fighters can look alright and then they get into that one fight where they are clearly "shot" but I think rather than being "shot" it is often just this lack of desire. Rubio vs. Golovkin being an example. Rubio just had no urge to win, and I think it might be the same here.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

a Cotto fan that can put his biases aside and give an honest boxing prediction


refreshing

[SCEN3RY]

As an unbiased observer of this match (i can't think of a bias) - all signs point to Cotto. Cotto is a very good fighter and I think he's in a better position than perhaps some realize - I'm of the opinion his "prime" years are just a little overvalued on this website. I would even argue he's a more complete fighter today, under Freddie and Gavin, than in his "prime." I'm actually not trying to compare the two, nor am I undermining the value youth, but I think Miguel has found ways to replace lost advantages with things he didn't have back in the mid-2000s - he has a better, more experienced team around him and I think that's often overlooked in training camps. His strength coach has done a great job in conditioning Miguel these last few fights as he's moved up in weight. His balance looks better today, I think, than it did versus like Judah. He's fighting smarter, he's attacking at the right angles and picking his shots very well. Freddie Roach knows his **** no matter what anybody wants to say, I think that's a big advantage over that guy that trains Canelo.

I think Canelo is a solid fighter however, he has good hand speed and throws some nice combos if he gets you on the ropes or gets you toe-to-toe. He can be a bit slow on his feet, but I'm not sure that's really going to matter in this fight. He has youth on his side but I've never seen him truly use it (think Pacquiao-Barrera). I hear a lot of professional trainers and such comment saying Canelo has the youth, but when has he really showed it? Maybe this is that time. And I do believe Canelo has basically exited that green stage since the Lara fight and if he's going to make a big impact, it's an ideal time to do it. He wasn't ready for Floyd, I think that showed in the Trout fight. He showed more of the right aggression versus Lara and that was good, but he's going to have to step it up even more if he wants to defeat a true veteran like Miguel Cotto.

Otherwise, it's nice to not really have a dog in this fight, so I can truly enjoy it

edit: I don't have a dog in this fight, but because I've noticed so many Cotto-stans being off the charts ****** as of late, not always about cotto-canelo, but in a number of different subjects, I can't help but fear, if Cotto were to win, their idiocy would become greater, if possible. So if I am wrong about my prediction...I REALLY won't be mad.

[baya]

As an unbiased observer of this match (i can't think of a bias) - all signs point to Cotto. Cotto is a very good fighter and I think he's in a better position than perhaps some realize - I'm of the opinion his "prime" years are just a little overvalued on this website. I would even argue he's a more complete fighter today, under Freddie and Gavin, than in his "prime." I'm actually not trying to compare the two, nor am I undermining the value youth, but I think Miguel has found ways to replace lost advantages with things he didn't have back in the mid-2000s - he has a better, more experienced team around him and I think that's often overlooked in training camps. His strength coach has done a great job in conditioning Miguel these last few fights as he's moved up in weight. His balance looks better today, I think, than it did versus like Judah. He's fighting smarter, he's attacking at the right angles and picking his shots very well. Freddie Roach knows his **** no matter what anybody wants to say, I think that's a big advantage over that guy that trains Canelo.

I think Canelo is a solid fighter however, he has good hand speed and throws some nice combos if he gets you on the ropes or gets you toe-to-toe. He can be a bit slow on his feet, but I'm not sure that's really going to matter in this fight. He has youth on his side but I've never seen him truly use it (think Pacquiao-Barrera). I hear a lot of professional trainers and such comment saying Canelo has the youth, but when has he really showed it? Maybe this is that time. And I do believe Canelo has basically exited that green stage since the Lara fight and if he's going to make a big impact, it's an ideal time to do it. He wasn't ready for Floyd, I think that showed in the Trout fight. He showed more of the right aggression versus Lara and that was good, but he's going to have to step it up even more if he wants to defeat a true veteran like Miguel Cotto.

Otherwise, it's nice to not really have a dog in this fight, so I can truly enjoy it

Great analysis. great fight.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Cotto did fight the wrong fight in that first one, pocho.

So it wasn't plaster?