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  • Originally posted by drenlou View Post
    Im glad your giving floyd his due man!!! Lets see, and compare their last 7 fights and you tell me who has fought the better competition towards the end of their career.....OK, READY?

    Mayweather:

    1)jmm.

    2)Mosely(b4 pac)
    3)Ortiz.
    4)Cotto at full limit of 154, not 150 or 145
    5)Guerrero.
    6)Canelo.
    7)Maidana x2.


    Pacquaio:

    1)Mosely(after floyd)
    2)Marquez 3(coulda loss)
    3Tim bradley 1(robbery?????)
    4)Marquez 4(got knocked out cold )
    5)Brandon. Rios
    6)Tim bradley 2(close fight)
    7)Chris algieri(140 lb champ)


    Who actively sought out the better fighters again?
    I would judge those fairly comparable lists there, despite your rather irrelevant side comments. Of course Bradley 1 was a robbery. And let's not forget, Pac fought Marquez at their natural weight classes several times to victory, only getting caught by a shock punch, it can happen.

    Apart from that, Manny is looking like a beast now and Floyd looked rubbish in his last 2 fights.

    His main claim to fame was clowning Canelo, an opponent he selected because he knew he could outspeed him and avoid him.

    Funny, on your list for Mayweather, I didn't see any particularly fast fighters. He DUCKED chinny Khan to fight Maidana remember and paid for it.

    And I certainly haven't seen him face any fast+powerful+agile+aggressive as Manny.

    Cherry picked opponents whom nearly guarantee him a win. Manny just fights!

    Overall Manny's resume is better than Floyds.

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    • Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
      That is good.

      But a few losses doesn't mean anything much anyway. Anyone can get knocked out in a professional boxing match. If you come back from it stronger, it's a learning curve. Sometimes the more dangerous opponents are the ones that have suffered losses.

      Your point is completely irrelevant anyhow.

      One of these guys actively sought out and fought the best available fighters at the time and proved himself the best overall.

      And the other guy cherry picked opponents when they were at a weak point (past it, green or otherwise) and shamelessly ducked anybody he thought might jeapordise his 0.

      As you can see, that doesn't really measure up does it. Of course you'll be undefeated. Floyd is the La Mar Clark of welter.

      "Never been on his ass".

      Yeah that is good. Not denying it. Question of styles. Safety first Floyd, offensive Manny. He'll get hit more and he'll also rip up the other guy more too.

      We just witnessed Floyd nearly get flogged out by Maidana, whom I like, but really is a B grade boxer. He exposed Broner and Floyd. Where were Floyd's skills then? He is done imo!

      What the hell do you think Manny would do to him?
      Let's learn to be objective okay? I think Floyd is the finest fighter I've ever seen but does not mean I hate Manny Pac. I love the guy. I think he won the first two Marquez fights and lost the last two.

      I predicted he would destroy Barrera. The only fight I picked against him was De La Hoya.

      That being said. Calling Floyd a Cherry Picker and not acknowledging Manny's propensity for this is not being objective.

      I won't comment on Raheem because clearly the Morales fight was the money fight. But....he clearly ducked Mosley (Freddie Roach is on tape discussing that.), in the ring after his destruction of Oscar they ducked Margarito saying he was too big. Check the in ring interview. They ducked Yuri Foreman saying he was too tall. I could go on.



      Floyd was accused of ducking Mosley. He fought and beat him off of his destruction of Margarito. How many threads were out there that Floyd would never fight Shane. After a clear victory, the win meant nothing. Floyd beat a young stronger Canelo easily, no one brings that up. How would Manny and Canelo play out? And if Floyd was afraid to lose his 0, why did he rematch Castillo and Maidana? They gave him trouble yet they were both immediate rematches. Your argument does not hold water.

      Now Maidana is being discredited because Floyd beat him twice but had a tough time. Funny how you say it's okay to have losses but when Floyd struggles with a fighter that's not okay. How does that work.

      Floyd never been on his ass. That's significant. Everybody gets dropped. Yeah he has defense but he's been hit hard by heavy had guys. Been hurt a few times but showed a great chin and resilience.

      I will leave you with this thought. Pacman refused to be randomly drug tested even with a 14 day cutoff after mediation. What does that tell you?

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      • The sequence of events went like this..

        Floyd "You choose my next opponent"

        Thousands of fans "Manny Pacquiao"

        Floyd (complete ignorance) "You choose my next opponent. Khan or Maidana?"

        Fans "Manny Pacquiao"

        Floyd "Khan or Maidana?"

        Fans "Khan"

        Floyd fights Maidana.

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        • ENOUGH OF THIS BULL****!

          Honestly!

          If as you 2 guys claim, that Floyd is better, then why the hell doesn't he fight him? FFS!

          I mean the whole steroids thing, Floyd uses too (come on), it's 2014!

          Why would he want that testing in the first place? Excuse to pull out!

          Who gives a **** if the Philipino pugilist can't pass a drug test, what's Floyd scared of then, if he's so much better that wont matter!

          I give Floyd a good chance vs Manny.

          25%

          I think that's being pretty objective! Prime for prime, Floyd didn't really look like he could beat Manny. Right now Floyd doesn't really look like he could beat Manny.

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          • No one wanted to see Floyd v Khan except the UK fans. Maidana was the smart choice. As for Pacman, we know about this whole dog and pony show. They have not been serious since the first round of negotiations

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            • Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
              ENOUGH OF THIS BULL****!

              Honestly!

              If as you 2 guys claim, that Floyd is better, then why the hell doesn't he fight him? FFS!

              I mean the whole steroids thing, Floyd uses too (come on), it's 2014!

              Why would he want that testing in the first place? Excuse to pull out!

              Who gives a **** if the Philipino pugilist can't pass a drug test, what's Floyd scared of then, if he's so much better that wont matter!

              I give Floyd a good chance vs Manny.

              25%

              I think that's being pretty objective! Prime for prime, Floyd didn't really look like he could beat Manny. Right now Floyd doesn't really look like he could beat Manny.
              Every sport tests why wouldn't boxing, a combat sport test? Are you serious. Manny had a remarkable run from Diaz to Cotto, while moving up weight classes. If Manny thought Floyd was scared, why didn't he just call his bluff and take the test instead of , I'm afraid of needles, it drained against Morales etcc...

              I love how you couldn't rebuttal me so you went to enough of this bull****...lmao... G Night

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              • Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
                I would judge those fairly comparable lists there, despite your rather irrelevant side comments. Of course Bradley 1 was a robbery. And let's not forget, Pac fought Marquez at their natural weight classes several times to victory, only getting caught by a shock punch, it can happen.

                Apart from that, Manny is looking like a beast now and Floyd looked rubbish in his last 2 fights.

                His main claim to fame was clowning Canelo, an opponent he selected because he knew he could outspeed him and avoid him.

                Funny, on your list for Mayweather, I didn't see any particularly fast fighters. He DUCKED chinny Khan to fight Maidana remember and paid for it.

                And I certainly haven't seen him face any fast+powerful+agile+aggressive as Manny.

                Cherry picked opponents whom nearly guarantee him a win. Manny just fights!

                Overall Manny's resume is better than Floyds.
                But lets talk about the last 7 fighters each have fought and judge off of that...floyd had 1 cw, pac has had 3 cw fights, despite fighting marquez at his natural weight....floyd fought cotto at his natural weight so that statement is debunked...

                Pac is looking like a beast now??? He certainly didnt look that way last time out against bradley...

                And there is only one pacquaio, no one can ever immulate his style or speed, so outside of pac, there is not any fighter at 147 (besides khan) who can match that speed, but does khan deserve it???what has khan done at 47??? Has he beaten a top 5 contender??? No

                At least maidana beat a then top 5 ww champ in broner, despite your hate for the guy..you think broner is not that good, but then again what makes 147 khan better??


                Pacs career is mostly predicated on the BIG TRIO, barerra,morales and marquez.. but what about floyds wins throughout his career?? Wins like g.hernandez,angel manfredy,jesus chavez,carlos hernandez, gregorio vargas, justin juuko,diego corrales,jlc x2,demarcus corley,gatti, mitchell,judah(fm. Unds. Champ)baldomir(lineal champ) oscar de la hoya(@154)ricky hatton(b4 pac)....,.how do 3 names(despite their greatness) trump all the names ive just stated?
                Last edited by LouIE G; 11-08-2014, 02:38 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
                  ENOUGH OF THIS BULL****!

                  Honestly!

                  If as you 2 guys claim, that Floyd is better, then why the hell doesn't he fight him? FFS!

                  I mean the whole steroids thing, Floyd uses too (come on), it's 2014!

                  Why would he want that testing in the first place? Excuse to pull out!

                  Who gives a **** if the Philipino pugilist can't pass a drug test, what's Floyd scared of then, if he's so much better that wont matter!

                  I give Floyd a good chance vs Manny.

                  25%

                  I think that's being pretty objective! Prime for prime, Floyd didn't really look like he could beat Manny. Right now Floyd doesn't really look like he could beat Manny.
                  Tell that to manny, he was scared of needles but has tattoos!!! He rejected testing back in 09... dont act like you dont know this...

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                  • Originally posted by Travdog View Post
                    Every sport tests why wouldn't boxing, a combat sport test? Are you serious. Manny had a remarkable run from Diaz to Cotto, while moving up weight classes. If Manny thought Floyd was scared, why didn't he just call his bluff and take the test instead of , I'm afraid of needles, it drained against Morales etcc...

                    I love how you couldn't rebuttal me so you went to enough of this bull****...lmao... G Night
                    Well said... this is the truth and every floyd hater will argue that your full of ****...

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                    • Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
                      The sequence of events went like this..

                      Floyd "You choose my next opponent"

                      Thousands of fans "Manny Pacquiao"

                      Floyd (complete ignorance) "You choose my next opponent. Khan or Maidana?"

                      Fans "Manny Pacquiao"

                      Floyd "Khan or Maidana?"

                      Fans "Khan"

                      Floyd fights Maidana.

                      Have to admit, that was funny.

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