What is the difference between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins?

[MickyHatton]

It's no joke.

And I'm not changing the subject. But you constantly blurt out a list of names that has no bearing whatsoever. Ottke is the only real fight missing from Joe's career at super middle (up until the recent emergence of Kessler) and it widely accepted that Ottke just would not fight Calzaghe.

You criticise Calzaghe for never leaving his backyard. He has fought in both Germany and Denmark. Hopkins has never left the USA.

You constantly say Hopkins cleaned up his division. Yes he did, cong**** Bhop. Had Ottke manned up and fought Calzaghe, Joe would have held 3 of the belts. Your response to this is no doubt, 'it's not Joe's fault the Ottke fight never happened, YAWN'.

Great post!

[Bozo_no no]

IBF, WBC, WBA, WBO...they all mean **** and you givng preferencce to some and not others is ridiculous.

The best champion in a respective weight class could have any of the belts or none of the belts...

So none of Joe's title defense were legitimate because he held the WBO? 18 illegitimate title defenses speak for itself too!

Scap your hate for Hopkins is really blinding you here.

Calzaghe's WBO title defenses are less legitimate, because they are and have been the weaker sanctioning body for years. They mandate very poor fights, and are what allowed Calzaghe to miss a list of credible contenders in his own division.

His win agaisnt Lacy doesn't not come close to comparing with Trinidad. Tito was wrecking guys, and was atop the pound for pound rankings. Lacy had 21 fights, and didn't throw a jab.


You reallllly like Calzaghe, and that's fine, but hating on Hopkins, asking loaded questions and suggesting Calzaghe's legacy is comparable to Hopkins' at this point is stertching things a lot.

[Knicksman20]

Totally agree with you Bozo. Tito was destroying boxers & no one was saying he wasn't a legitimate Middleweight after he wrecked Joppy. That's what made him the favorite going into the Hopkins fight. He not only dominated Tito but closed the show with a KO. I think that Keith Holmes was better than any fighter on JC's resume.

[Easy-E]

Rubbish - leaving the UK has nothing to do with his career - it doesn't matter where you fight (assuming its not biased scoring) its who you fight.

I agree that their careers are very similar (Scap-view), but that Joe C needs to unify SMW and beat Tarver at LHW (or unify LHW if he prefers).

Thats 2 fights away from HOF in my book, and I hope he gets them. seeing JC fight I can't believe peoplewho think he didn't want to fight Jones, Hopkins, Ottke. He might not be SRR but he loves fighting and seems like he'd have fought anyone earlier in his career. Now he's ****ed off with that after so many disappointments (and **** ups on his part) so wants a few paydays.

fighting in the US has everything to do with your career. its exposure. the fact that joe hasnt fought here and has mostly fought in his own backyard makes it seem like he is sheltered and didnt take chance.
oh and the jones-joe points are just ******, bc roy wasnt going to walk into the uk and joe wasnt willing to leave. case closed, they werent going to fight and even if they did, rjj would smoke him

[scap]

Scap your hate for Hopkins is really blinding you here.

Calzaghe's WBO title defenses are less legitimate, because they are and have been the weaker sanctioning body for years. They mandate very poor fights, and are what allowed Calzaghe to miss a list of credible contenders in his own division.

His win agaisnt Lacy doesn't not come close to comparing with Trinidad. Tito was wrecking guys, and was atop the pound for pound rankings. Lacy had 21 fights, and didn't throw a jab.


You reallllly like Calzaghe, and that's fine, but hating on Hopkins, asking loaded questions and suggesting Calzaghe's legacy is comparable to Hopkins' at this point is stertching things a lot.

The WBO mandates weak fights no doubt whichakes them different how? Look at some of the #1 contenders the IBF served up for Bernard Hopkins? Look at them? You cant on one hand credibly critisize the WBO without doing the same to the IBF...this simply doesnt add up!

Who are the creible opponents that were missed by the WBO-who are you referring too-who did Joe not fight?

I have already said Nard's W over Tito is better than Joe's W over LAcy...you say Lacy doesnt throw a jab...didnt you know this before last Saturday...you monday morning quarterback, quit discrediting Jeff LAcy because he was brutalized and dominated-is Joe's crime that he beat Lacy too badly?

If you want to poke on Jeff Lay's abilities we can poke at Tito too, Nard said all he was going to do was follow Oscar's gameplan...at least Joe was the first top expose Lay where as Bernard openly said he already had the gameplan to beat Tito.

Youve already agreed with me my man-they have comparable records pre-tito and pr-lacy...all my man Joe has to do is put Toney Tarver away and he will have accomlished more then Bernard post Tito.

What W would you hold higher (please play the hypothetical game for a sec) Oscar Delhoya for Nardor if Joe happens to beat Tarver...what victory is more impressive?

[Bozo_no no]

The WBO mandates weak fights no doubt whichakes them different how? Look at some of the #1 contenders the IBF served up for Bernard Hopkins? Look at them? You cant on one hand credibly critisize the WBO without doing the same to the IBF...this simply doesnt add up!

Who are the creible opponents that were missed by the WBO-who are you referring too-who did Joe not fight?

I have already said Nard's W over Tito is better than Joe's W over LAcy...you say Lacy doesnt throw a jab...didnt you know this before last Saturday...you monday morning quarterback, quit discrediting Jeff LAcy because he was brutalized and dominated-is Joe's crime that he beat Lacy too badly?

If you want to poke on Jeff Lay's abilities we can poke at Tito too, Nard said all he was going to do was follow Oscar's gameplan...at least Joe was the first top expose Lay where as Bernard openly said he already had the gameplan to beat Tito.

Youve already agreed with me my man-they have comparable records pre-tito and pr-lacy...all my man Joe has to do is put Toney Tarver away and he will have accomlished more then Bernard post Tito.

What W would you hold higher (please play the hypothetical game for a sec) Oscar Delhoya for Nardor if Joe happens to beat Tarver...what victory is more impressive?

You're doing a spin job here, and we both know it.

There is no comparison between Hopkins win over Tito and Joe's win over Lacy. Not even close.

And jumping into the 'if' game about fighters Joe may or may not face isn't very cerdible in this discussion. He doesn't have a major fight in his entire career up to this point, and one win leads to him moving up, and not only fighting but beating better competition?

I'll believe it when I see it.

All we have to discuss now is what's actually happend.

As it stands now, Calzaghe doen't have a HoF worthy career.

Come and talk to me after these other wins happen. I'm tired of hearing about 'ifs'.

[scap]

You're doing a spin job here, and we both know it.

There is no comparison between Hopkins win over Tito and Joe's win over Lacy. Not even close.

And jumping into the 'if' game about fighters Joe may or may not face isn't very cerdible in this discussion. He doesn't have a major fight in his entire career up to this point, and one win leads to him moving up, and not only fighting but beating better competition?

I'll believe it when I see it.

All we have to discuss now is what's actually happend.

As it stands now, Calzaghe doen't have a HoF worthy career.

Come and talk to me after these other wins happen. I'm tired of hearing about 'ifs'.

You are just like George W. Bush...you never entetain hypotheticals.

When Joe beats Winky Wright Im gonna come knockin down your door!

[keystone30pack]

a much as i dislike hopkins i have to agree w/ other posters here that his credentials are superrior to those of joe cal regardless of anyoen who may have ducked them

[Dirt E Gomez]

You are just like George W. Bush...you never entetain hypotheticals.

When Joe beats Winky Wright Im gonna come knockin down your door!

This makes me chuckle. People insult B-Hop because he stayed at a weight and let lighter fighters come up and face him. Now Calzaghe, who has said on several occasions that making weight is too tough, will weight for Winky to come up and fight him?

[scap]

This makes me chuckle. People insult B-Hop because he stayed at a weight and let lighter fighters come up and face him. Now Calzaghe, who has said on several occasions that making weight is too tough, will weight for Winky to come up and fight him?

It is meant as satire Gomez-surely your not a dope and took this literally right?