What is the difference between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins?

[mECHsLAVE]

To answer the original question honestly, the difference is that Joe never called out Jr Middleweights and Middleweights and stopped them. Instead he fought natural 168lbers and fought the best available for the most part, with the exception of Ottke, who most accept did not want to fight Joe anyway.

Why didn't Hopkins and Jones answer Joe's calls? Because he was too big of a risk for too little money. Why were Hopkins' calls answered? (Sit down, because the truth hurts) Because Hopkins is not an active, swarming fighter who throws an insane amount of fast punches. Hopkins is methodical, precise and defensive. Not quite as intimidating. Oh, and of course there was no Atlantic Ocean seperating Hopkins from the smaller fighters that he chose to call out in favor of trying to avenge his loss to Roy.

[Dirt E Gomez]

I never rated Bernard Hopkins, he was never in my top 10 lb4lb whereas Calzaghe always was. Calzaghe came to fight, Hopkins came to run. The only decent, natural middleweights that Hopkins has fought are Taylor and Jones - and he lost to both.

You know, for a guy who says you had Calzaghe in your top 10 p4p I find it strange that you were touting reasons as to why he was going to lose to Lacy for months leading up to the fight. Does that mean you had Lacy #1 p4p in yours at the tim? Please JuyJuy, if you want to hop on the Joe train I could care less but don't act like you've been backing him this whole time.

[blockhead]

the difference is that b-hop knocked tito and oscar the **** out. all that calzone has on his resume is an overhyped lacy.

[FeelTheA-Force]

Comapre the two.

ones american ones welsh/british

ones black ones white

[FeelTheA-Force]

the difference is that b-hop knocked tito and oscar the **** out. all that calzone has on his resume is an overhyped lacy.

thats not what you said in your previous threads and posts.

[phil28]

It's not Joe's fault the Ottke fight didn't come off, it's not his fault the Jones fight didn't come off, it's not Joe's fault the Hopkins fight didn't come off, it's not his fault the Kessler fight didn't come off, it's not Joe's fault the Beyer fight didn't come off, Green, Mundine, etc etc...

Yawn.

Hmm, you keep bringing up the same names and it's as annoying as it is false.

Beyer, Green and Mundine are not great fighters, nor are they better than the names already on Calzaghe's resume. A prime Reid (it's not stretching to add prime to Reid's name, he's a former WBC champ, knocking out Vicenzo Nardiello in his own backyard) smokes all of them, but it's obvious from your posts that you've seen very few, if any of them fight.

As for the Kessler fight not coming off, are you for real? Kessler has only become a genuine contender during the build up to the Lacy fight, but you're criticising Joe for fighting Lacy instead of Kessler. Up until Saturday, Lacy was considered the better fighter.

[Bozo_no no]

Hmm, you keep bringing up the same names and it's as annoying as it is false.

Beyer, Green and Mundine are not great fighters, nor are they better than the names already on Calzaghe's resume. A prime Reid (it's not stretching to add prime to Reid's name, he's a former WBC champ, knocking out Vicenzo Nardiello in his own backyard) smokes all of them, but it's obvious from your posts that you've seen very few, if any of them fight.

I've seen all of them fight, and suggesting Reid would walk through them is a joke.

You all keep doing the same thing to try and change the subject.

Again, the bottom line is that Calzaghe's resume is sub par, he spent his whole career at Supper Middle and didn't clean it out and didn't unify a title until this weekend.

He doesn't compare to Hopkins, and he does not have a strong case for the Hall of Fame right now.

[phil28]

I've seen all of them fight, and suggesting Reid would walk through them is a joke.

You all keep doing the same thing to try and change the subject.

Again, the bottom line is that Calzaghe's resume is sub par, he spent his whole career at Supper Middle and didn't clean it out and didn't unify a title until this weekend.

He doesn't compare to Hopkins, and he does not have a strong case for the Hall of Fame right now.

It's no joke.

And I'm not changing the subject. But you constantly blurt out a list of names that has no bearing whatsoever. Ottke is the only real fight missing from Joe's career at super middle (up until the recent emergence of Kessler) and it widely accepted that Ottke just would not fight Calzaghe.

You criticise Calzaghe for never leaving his backyard. He has fought in both Germany and Denmark. Hopkins has never left the USA.

You constantly say Hopkins cleaned up his division. Yes he did, cong**** Bhop. Had Ottke manned up and fought Calzaghe, Joe would have held 3 of the belts. Your response to this is no doubt, 'it's not Joe's fault the Ottke fight never happened, YAWN'.

[Bozo_no no]

It's no joke.

And I'm not changing the subject. But you constantly blurt out a list of names that has no bearing whatsoever. Ottke is the only real fight missing from Joe's career at super middle (up until the recent emergence of Kessler) and it widely accepted that Ottke just would not fight Calzaghe.

You criticise Calzaghe for never leaving his backyard. He has fought in both Germany and Denmark. Hopkins has never left the USA.

You constantly say Hopkins cleaned up his division. Yes he did, cong**** Bhop. Had Ottke manned up and fought Calzaghe, Joe would have held 3 of the belts. Your response to this is no doubt, 'it's not Joe's fault the Ottke fight never happened, YAWN'.

Hopkins didn't need to leave to fight anyone, that's another joke.

And the names I listed are all credible fighters he didn't fight that would have lead to cleaning out the division, something he didn't come close to doing.

You are changing the subject.

The fact of the matter is, making excuses for what he didnt' do doesn't change the fact his resume is sub par at best, he didn't unify or clean out his divsion, and that he does not have a Hall of Fame resume at this point.

The potential is there and has been, but unless it's realized in important fights, it's all for not.

[Crumble]

And the names I listed are all credible fighters he didn't fight that would have lead to cleaning out the division, something he didn't come close to doing.

this is more about money than willingness, if Ottke was American the fight would have happend same with Beyer, but they were and are in Beyers case two boring feather fisted germans who are horrible to watch and would cost Warren a fortune to tempt them to fight Joe whilst not being a significant enough draw to recup money through tv deals or pay per view.