Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao's Adviser on Board With Move To 140

[SplitSecond]

Barrera wasn't exactly prime but still an ATG win for Pacquiao IMO. A fighter doesn't have to be prime for that to happen. And Mayweather's Marquez victory is better than Manny's, sorry. For starters it was a blowout win. And Marquez has since shown himself to be quite formidable above 140.

what a dumbass

[IMDAZED]

You joking right? Barrera was definitely in his prime facing Pacman. He was 29 with big wins prior.

That's now...JMM never fought at 142 cw before the Floyd fight which is what's important.

Age doesn't necessarily equate to prime but it's irrelevant. It's still an ATG win in my eyes.

Yeah he never fought at 142 but it wasn't like that means he wasn't good there. He looked good against Pacquiao the third and fourth time.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Well Marquez looked just as good in his second and third fights above 140 so I don't agree. If he cheated on the scales and weighed 160 or something I'd get you. But he was one pound lighter than Pacquiao the third time and 4lbs lighter the fourth time. The two pounds against Mayweather wasn't meaningful and wasn't the reason he got shutout.

You're ignoring the fact that he never fought above 135 before he fought Floyd at 142. It takes time to adjust at significant weight differences.

[Deevel916]

Well Marquez looked just as good in his second and third fights above 140 so I don't agree. If he cheated on the scales and weighed 160 or something I'd get you. But he was one pound lighter than Pacquiao the third time and 4lbs lighter the fourth time. The two pounds against Mayweather wasn't meaningful and wasn't the reason he got shutout.

I forgot....1lb only makes a huge difference when its an opponent that Pacquiao is facing! lol.

[IMDAZED]

You're ignoring the fact that he never fought above 135 before he fought Floyd at 142.

Not ignoring it. I'm saying a fighter moving up doesn't AUTOMATICALLY taint a win. If a fighter should prove himself unable to handle the weight then sure. But Marquez has shown himself elite at that weight. So sorry, no.

[The Big Dunn]

You joking right? Barrera was definitely in his prime facing Pacman. He was 29 with big wins prior and after.

That's now...JMM never fought at 142 cw before the Floyd fight which is what's important.

Barrera was considered on the downside when he fought Hamed. How did he go from that to prime?

It's a damn good win but you are trying to make it extra ordinary simply because its Manny. It wasn't like Jones beating Barrera.

[IMDAZED]

I forgot....1lb only makes a huge difference when its an opponent that Pacquiao is facing! lol.

I'm not sure what you're refering to.

[HeGotPacProblem]

Barrera was considered on the downside when he fought Hamed. How did he go from that to prime?

It's a damn good win but you are trying to make it extra ordinary simply because its Manny. It wasn't like Jones beating Barrera.

Sure ok...Google if Barrera was prime or not prime bs Pacman....useless debating with Floyd fans.

[IronDanHamza]

Sure ok...Google if Barrera was prime or not prime bs Pacman....useless debating with Floyd fans.

Google it?

It is arguable.

Physically I'd say it's quite obvious he was slightly past his peak but despite even slightly past it physically, technically and skill wise he was at his best and that combination is why I personally would say Barrera was at his best in 03.

Again though it's arguable.

Some say 2001 was his absolute best.

[DeadLikeMe]

The October issue of Ring surveyed many boxing writers and historians on the greatest fighters of the Modern Era (post-WWII). They were each asked to rank the 20 greatest fighters with 1st receiving 20 points, 2nd receiving 19, 3rd receiving 18, etc... with first place votes bracketed. The top 20 is as follows (HT to chrismart83 on scene):


1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Louis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Pernell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55

Others receiving votes:
Charley Burley - 53
Evander Holyfield - 42
George Foreman - 41
Billy Conn - 39
Larry Holmes - 36
Manny Pacquiao - 36
Kid Galivan - 28
Salvador Sanchez - 28
Emile Griffith - 27
Jose Napoles - 27
Holman Williams - 27
Mike Tyson - 26
Joe Frazier - 22
Alexis Arguello - 20
Marcel Cerdan - 20
Carlos Ortiz - 20
Ricardo Lopez - 19
Jake LaMotta - 17
Ruben Olivares - 17
Pascual Perez - 12
Marco Antonio Barrera - 9
Oscar De La Hoya - 9
Michael Spinks - 9
Tommy Hearns - 7
Miguel Canto - 5
Bob Foster - 5
Jimmy Bivins - 4
Lennox Lewis - 4
Sammy Angott - 3

Authors and historians surveyed were: Ron Borges (Ring), Bernard Fernandez (Ring), Doug Fischer (Ring), Norm Frauenhiem (Ring), Lee Groves (Tales from the Vault), Craig Hamilton (Historian), Thomas Hauser (Author), Kevin Iole (Yahoo Sport), Matt McGrain (Historian), Clay Moyle (Author), Martin Mulcahey (Historian), Patrick Myler Author), Jack Obermayer (Writer), Adam Pollack (Author), Cliff Rold (Historian), Michael Rosenthal (Ring), Mike Silver (Author), Tim Smith (Ring), Springs Toledo (Author), Anson Wainwright (Writer).

The writers and historians think Floyd's resume is just fine.