is Calzaghe HOF or potential future HOF

[mECHsLAVE]

You clearly don't get it if this is your argument. Because, all 4 of those applies to Cazlaghe is why it's bad. I will the other fights, and have for their faults... buit they aren't as numerous as Cazlaghe's, which is why he isn't HOF compared to them. This isn't brain surgery... it's basic match. 4 > 2 or 3

LOL Ok, that is totally ******.

So now if it's 4 then he's not in, but if it's 3 then he's in? So if Calzaghe moves up in weight, then he's in? Or if he leaves his country, then he's in? Hehe. Well he already left his country to fight twice (yes, leaving Wales to fight in England doesn't count). And he has called out Tarver at 175, so it will be VERY interesting to bump this thread later this year. I'm guessing a whole new criteria will be invented by then, though.

[Dirt E Gomez]

LOL Ok, that is totally ******.

So now if it's 4 then he's not in, but if it's 3 then he's in? So if Calzaghe moves up in weight, then he's in? Or if he leaves his country, then he's in? Hehe. Well he already left his country to fight twice (yes, leaving Wales to fight in England doesn't count). And he has called out Tarver at 175, so it will be VERY interesting to bump this thread later this year. I'm guessing a whole new criteria will be invented by then, though.

Don't put words in my mouth. Those examples are yours, not mine and I was simply using your examples as to why he's not. Those are some criterea which you seem to hold dear so I used them as to why he's not. As I've stated quite a few times now, what he does from here determines if he will get in... but as it stands he wont and shouldn't.

[Bozo_no no]

Hehe. Yes, junior. I see exactly what Bozo is saying and what you are saying. I just pointed out that the following criticisms...

1. Calzaghe has a few fighters missing from his resume.
2. Calzaghe never left his country.
3. Calzaghe never moved up in weight.
4. Calzaghe never became "undisputed" at his weight

...are criticims that must also be applied to the likes of Hopkins (mainly 2 and 3) and Jones (mainly 1, 2, and 4).

Yes, Hopkins and Jones have other career attributes which Calzaghe hasn't obtained yet- Hopkins became undisputed at his weight. And Roy moved up in weight to challenge for other belts. BUT

That's where you start to sound bitter, and ignorant.

There is no 'but'.

No one in their right mind disputes Jones' or Hopkin's legacy or Hall of Fame status.

Many do, and with good reason, dispute Joe's at this point.

The talent is there, but the accomplishments are not. He has the time now, but needs to get at it.


You have a very difficult time when somone disagress with your essays. Your long winded rant in this case shows you understand why some disagree with you.

Why aren't you capebale of accepting that and leaving it at that?

[mECHsLAVE]

That's where you start to sound bitter, and ignorant.

There is no 'but'.

No one in their right mind disputes Jones' or Hopkin's legacy or Hall of Fame status.

Many do, and with good reason, dispute Joe's at this point.

The talent is there, but the accomplishments are not. He has the time now, but needs to get at it.


You have a very difficult time when somone disagress with your essays. Your long winded rant in this case shows you understand why some disagree with you.

Why aren't you capebale of accepting that and leaving it at that?

LOL You just will never get it. So I will leave it "at that" as you say after this post. As for dis*****g Joe's HoF claim "at this point" --> NO KIDDING. I do, too. I do say that if he beats Tarver, then he has to be strongly considered, being the recognized champ in two divisions simulataneaously, undefeated for god knows how long, a string of strong world title defenses, unified champion, etc.

The only place we disagree is when you started grandstanding and pointing out all these career flaws of Calzaghe, while desperately trying to discredit him and deflate his unification, flaws which he shares with either Hopkins or Jones, both of whom, as you say, have "undisputable HoF status."

It's a ****** argument anyway, to argue if a fighter is HoF fighter before his career is over and while he is still in his prime.

[Bozo_no no]

LOL You just will never get it. So I will leave it "at that" as you say after this post. As for dis*****g Joe's HoF claim "at this point" --> NO KIDDING. I do, too. I do say that if he beats Tarver, then he has to be strongly considered, being the recognized champ in two divisions simulataneaously, undefeated for god knows how long, a string of strong world title defenses, unified champion, etc.

The only place we disagree is when you started grandstanding and pointing out all these career flaws of Calzaghe, while desperately trying to discredit him and deflate his unification, flaws which he shares with either Hopkins or Jones, both of whom, as you say, have "undisputable HoF status."

It's a ****** argument anyway, to argue if a fighter is HoF fighter before his career is over and while he is still in his prime.

You're as dense as a fence post.

Hopkins or Jones, both of whom, as you say, have "undisputable HoF status."

lol, I love the way you say that like it's a stretch or a crazy notion. It's a fact that only an idiot would dispute.

You mention that Calzaghe shares flaws they have.

It's the part where he doesn't share the accomplishments they have that's the issue here.

Unreal how people like you just look to save face in some tired aside of an argument where you don't even know what you're arguing.

[mECHsLAVE]

You're as dense as a fence post.



lol, I love the way you say that like it's a stretch or a crazy notion. It's a fact that only an idiot would dispute.

You mention that Calzaghe shares flaws they have.

It's the part where he doesn't share the accomplishments they have that's the issue here.

Unreal how people like you just look to save face in some tired aside of an argument where you don't even know what you're arguing.

"Stretch or crazy notion"? I simply used your phrase. I mean, are you truly ******ed? LOL

Yes, he shares the same faults as undeniable HoF fighters. That is my point, which you just stumbled into, finally. And as for accomplishments, he has gone into Germany to defend his title- something Roy flat out refused to do, even when his title was paper and wouldn't defend it against the true champ it was stripped from. And Joe has now unified at SMW, something Roy never did. Joe is also undefeated.

So you see, there are criticisms they share and accomplishments that each can call their own. I don't get carried away with titles. Roy's only division he unified anything in was 175, ALL of which but one were paper belts. That's why many boxing experts actually recognize two different lineages of the LHW title. Erdei is actually now the true champion at 175, not Tarver, if you follow the lineage. So like I said, spread the criticism around equally and apply the same standard to both. If not leaving your country isn't important (which is obviously isn't since HoF fighters haven't done it) then why focus on it and harp on it as a reason why Calzaghe shouldn't get in? Etc etc ec.

[Bozo_no no]

"Stretch or crazy notion"? I simply used your phrase. I mean, are you truly ******ed? LOL

Yes, he shares the same faults as undeniable HoF fighters. That is my point, which you just stumbled into, finally.

You aren't very smart. It's quite funny. And every time it's poined out, you get more and more wordy.

Look at what you just wrote. How on earth is that a positive thing when you don't have the good to go with it?

You're really an idiot.

The point is, that he's done some of the things you could call on Roy and Bernard, but none of the accomplishments, unifications, mulit divisions, of HoF opposition that they have.

That's GREAT work there ace.

[JuicyJuice]

Antoine Byrd, Vinny Pazienza, Tony Thornton, Eric Lucas and Bryant Brannon were not even in the top 10 at 168 at the time! None of em! And Jones could of easily fought Nigel Benn, Michael Nunn, Stevie Collins, Frankie Liles and Chris Eubank instead, and yes, he could of EASILY fought them because they all wanted to fight him.

Sorry, I just can't stand Jones.

[Bozo_no no]

And as for accomplishments, he has gone into Germany to defend his title- something Roy flat out refused to do, even when his title was paper and wouldn't defend it against the true champ it was stripped from. And Joe has now unified at SMW, something Roy never did. Joe is also undefeated.

This is getting more and more pathetic the more you drone on.

There is NO comparing Joe Calzaghe and Roy Jones. Zero. The fact you're even trying shows how desperate and insecure you are about Calzaghe, because the very notion is laughable.

Joe was already in Erurope, and went to Germany to face Mario ****ing Veit. OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH.

Roy had no reason to go to Germany to fight Darius. He was hiding in his own back yard with no intention of fighting Roy. He came to the US to watch Roy fight Hill, and never came back. He stayed in Germany, got a few gift decisions, and then ultimatly lost to one of the 'average' victems Roy beat 120-105. More bull **** from you.

And Joe unified ONE title at Suppermiddle, after what? 12 years?

You don't disagree with my point in the big picture, yet as per ususal you can't deal with me disagreeing with you and pointing out your flawed and ignorant logic.

The more you try to compare Joe's career to Roy's the more ****** you look.

[JuicyJuice]

Joe was already in Erurope, and went to Germany to face Mario ****ing Veit. OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH.

Unbelievable.