If Cotto/Canelo and Mayweather/TBA(not pac) fight on the same night..

[jai mari078]

No way Floyd/TBA(not named Pacquiao) beats Canelo/Cotto.

even if Floyd/Pacquiao fight on the same weekend, I will pay for Canelo/Cotto. if the Floyd/Pacquiao fight happens,They will charge record prices for that pay-per-view. After all the bull**** i'm not as interested in this fight as I once was.

I'm not paying close to $100 which is probably what they will charge, to watch a watered-down version of this fight. Five years ago, it would have been the biggest fight and boxing ever.

Canelo/Cotto will be the better and more exciting fight, Floyd/Pacquiao Will be more hype than anything.

I'll pay for Canelo/Cotto, and catch a rerun of the other fight.

[Daylyt]

I think any company, especially one that wants to be successful, would opt not to have their PPV compete with another PPV. It doesn't make sense financially. The goal is to maximize profits. I think it's a silly idea to say at least we won't take as big of a hit as our competitor. It would make more sense to say what date can we choose to maximize our profits. That's why it's important for Oscar/Canelo to announce the May fight first. Nobody is trying to lose less than the other guy. They're trying to make as much money as possible.

Thats all nice and all if you just want to do business but if your trying to knock off a competitor then this is stuff you got to do. HBO is behind this because they want to deplete showtime budget much as possible and by hurting Mayweather numbers it hurts showtime budget wise because showtime gives Mayweather his guarantee. Its October and showtime is pretty much maxed out they only going to be putting on 2 cards for the rest of the year, now they go head to head in May for the PPV dates and hurt Mayweather numbers then showtime budget will fizzle out and maybe by august they are pinching pennies.

[shade darkar]

canelo vs cotto is a competitive fight. one that is hard to pick a winner going in. floyd vs the likes of brook or khan or whatever other mismatch he is planning wont be.

[Bullrider]

...who will it hurt more in terms of numbers?

I don't know and I don't care. I've seen this before, but on a different scenario. Canelo is determined to fight on that date. He will never back down. It's clear to me now that Oscar can't do anything about it. You only have to look back and recall Canelo vs Lopez SHO ---- Chavez vs Martinez HBO.

[bluebeam]

still 700k is enough for hbo to make a profit and hurt floyds numbers where SHO will end up losing money, SHO just cant afford those numbers with that ****** warranty and most likely they will end up moving the date...

the point is if you do the canelo/cotto fight on a date by itself. they will make more profit. why settle for 30 million in revenue going against another ppv when you can make 50 million in revenue on a date by yourself?

[Yogi007]

No way Mayweather fighting a nobody, beats Cotto vs Canelo on PPV numbers. People keep talking about Cotto's and Canelo's PPV numbers in both of their last fights. Yes they were low, but they carried those cards by themselves. Lara and Martinez are known in the boxing community, but casuals have no clue who they are. If they are fighting people that nobody knows who they are, the casuals aren't going to go out in force to buy the PPV card. Now if you put 2 PPV stars in together, fighting each other, the casuals are going to know who they both are, so they will come out and buy the card.

The only way Mayweather can sell more PPV's then Canelo/Cotto, is if he fights Pac. Mayweather/Khan may do good in the U.K., but it will be pretty much a PPV flop here in the U.S. Showtime will loose so much money, they will insist that Floyd changes his fight to a new date.

[icha]

the point is if you do the canelo/cotto fight on a date by itself. they will make more profit. why settle for 30 million in revenue going against another ppv when you can make 50 million in revenue on a date by yourself?

thats not the point, the point is canelo can make more in may than any other date now if floyd wants to compete on the date then it will hurt sho more than hbo and i dont think sho wants that...
so is more of a problem for sho than hbo...

[bray26]

ask yourself this question-who do you think casual fans (ie white, middle class Americans)would choose? there's your answer. Ethnic or minority groups do not drive ppv sales any more than they do music, movies etc.

Mayweather gets these dates because he has proven to be a ticket seller and these are dates where there usually isn't much competing sports programming on after 8:00PM.

You are all kinds of wrong! Minority ethnic groups do run boxing viewership. Any event or even watching fights abroad in clubs and sports bar. They are packed with **********, black and latin. They love boxing period. You can count ie white on one hand. There is a good white fan base I'm not saying that. but they are not the bulk of ppv buyers. ie white middle class America drives the NFL not boxing. That's why cotto/alvarez will do the better numbers. Floyd is being put on notice by Dela Hoya that his run is over. He has used that Mexican fan base to get rich and they are taking it back. Mexicans paid to see him lose not to see him fight. They will pay to see Canelo fight. Win or lose. That Mayweather is a proven ticket seller notion is what they are about to expose. And Mayweather knows it. Showtime does too. They are gonna force him to or at least try to force him to fight Pac because they have the most money to lose in going head to head. Not HBO. This is about ego. Floyd and de la Hoyas, he couldn't beat Floyd in the ring so he's gonna beat him with numbers and expose the fact that he's not a ppv king just a good business that built his image on the backs of die hard fight fans that are tired of his exhibitions against over matched opponents. And that image is what they are setting out to destroy. This is to embarrass Floyd as much as it is to put Canelo in position to be the next ppv king. It's a win for boxing fans. It forces the networks to put on the best fights or suffer the financial consequences

[cantor5150]

I'll say it again, Canelo is not fighting on ppv in May he will fight Cotto in June and take a tune up on HBO not ppv in May, all this talk about going head to head with Floyd is just a gimmick to get Canelo some exposure, They will not go head to head with Floyd on ppv, bars and theaters won't buy the license of the Canelo fight. Everybody gotta remember this is Floyds 2nd to last fight he won't be around to be watch anymore while Canelo will be for awhile so either you see an all time great while you can live or a kid trying to make a name for himself? The celebrities will be wTching Floyd, not Canelo

[maguirre]

I'll say it again, Canelo is not fighting on ppv in May he will fight Cotto in June and take a tune up on HBO not ppv in May, all this talk about going head to head with Floyd is just a gimmick to get Canelo some exposure, They will not go head to head with Floyd on ppv, bars and theaters won't buy the license of the Canelo fight. Everybody gotta remember this is Floyds 2nd to last fight he won't be around to be watch anymore while Canelo will be for awhile so either you see an all time great while you can live or a kid trying to make a name for himself? The celebrities will be wTching Floyd, not Canelo

You people make it sound as if Mayweather is an exciting fighter and it's absolute must to see him fight. Fans will watch any option on that date without feeling they're missing anything. TBE is very protective of his zero and don't expect him to fight like casuals want him to. TBE's PPV will hurt most on a head to head clash. Like you said, Canelo is still young, he has little to lose.