I just rewatched Mayweather vs Marquez - WOW Floyd was spectactular!

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It isn't going to kill you to admit that a 12-round shutout over Juan Manuel Marquez while coming off a two-year layoff is a great win. The arguments against it are really flimsy and just make you shake your head.

Some people pretend Mayweather weighed so much more because of the weigh-in debacle, as if he came into the ring weighing 160. The guy's still fighting at welter five years later and there is absolutely no proof that he's ever ballooned beyond even 152. Besides, can anyone really sit there and pretend it was Floyd's size advantage that got him the win? As if he went all Margarito on Marquez or something.

I didn't think this was that great a win at the outset -- and said that -- simply because I didn't think Marquez was natural at that weight. He then moved down to 135 and then had a 2min farce of a fight at 140. I still thought he wasn't natural at welter when he moved back up to face Pacquiao, but he looked elite in that third bout and we all know what happened in the fourth. Maybe Memo used something illegal, maybe it was just Marquez finally getting a real conditioning coach. But unfortunately for some of you, that takes nothing away from what he did to Pacquiao and he is a great fighter in his own right. Just like even if I thought Pacquiao was juiced to the gills against Cotto, it takes nothing away from what he did and it doesn't taint or effect the enormity of the win in my eyes. Mayweather shut Marquez out over 12 rounds because he was the superior fighter. And when two future HOF'ers meet while still at their peak and one outclasses the other, it's a great win.

Sorry but there is something called weight classes for a reason and Marquez was no WW. Floyd was. To even consider this BEFORE, CURRENT, FUTURE as a good win for Floyd is nonsense!

Now if you take into account the fighting style, it makes it even more of a joke. Marquez needs someone who attacks to look good. Marquez knew that he had to do much more attacking and moving forward than he is comfortable with.

A joke is a joke.

When a guy moves up 3 divisions, its only impressive if he looks good and or wins NOT the guy that had the lineal title there.

[Doctor_Tenma]

It isn't going to kill you to admit that a 12-round shutout over Juan Manuel Marquez while coming off a two-year layoff is a great win. The arguments against it are really flimsy and just make you shake your head.

Some people pretend Mayweather weighed so much more because of the weigh-in debacle, as if he came into the ring weighing 160. The guy's still fighting at welter five years later and there is absolutely no proof that he's ever ballooned beyond even 152. Besides, can anyone really sit there and pretend it was Floyd's size advantage that got him the win? As if he went all Margarito on Marquez or something.

I didn't think this was that great a win at the outset -- and said that -- simply because I didn't think Marquez was natural at that weight. He then moved down to 135 and then had a 2min farce of a fight at 140. I still thought he wasn't natural at welter when he moved back up to face Pacquiao, but he looked elite in that third bout and we all know what happened in the fourth. Maybe Memo used something illegal, maybe it was just Marquez finally getting a real conditioning coach. But unfortunately for some of you, that takes nothing away from what he did to Pacquiao and he is a great fighter in his own right. Just like even if I thought Pacquiao was juiced to the gills against Cotto, it takes nothing away from what he did and it doesn't taint or effect the enormity of the win in my eyes. Mayweather shut Marquez out over 12 rounds because he was the superior fighter. And when two future HOF'ers meet while still at their peak and one outclasses the other, it's a great win.

It may not be as memorable as Marquez knocking out Pacquiao but what he did in the 3rd fight, personally I might hold that in higher regard. That was an amazing display, never seen a fighter utilize the uppercut that well from long range, not one.

[FlatLine]

no doubt has already been mentioned Marquez went up from 135 to 147 (2 weight divisions) to face the best fighter in the world without a tune up at the weight. Floyd was basically fighting a punching bag in that fight, Marquez was painfully underprepared.

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no doubt has already been mentioned Marquez went up from 135 to 147 (2 weight divisions) to face the best fighter in the world without a tune up at the weight. Floyd was basically fighting a punching bag in that fight, Marquez was painfully underprepared.

While fighting at 130 , what was Marquez's fight night weights ?

You do understand that these guys were stepping in the ring as WWs 140-147 , you do understand that the 30 hr weighin fight time difference allows a very distorted official weight to be recorded .

These fighters , Manny , JMM and Floyd just to name a few there are many , have not really grown into WWs , they are just not drying out to make a very light weight 30hrs before , they are now allowing their body to to train and fight at a natural weight .

You guys need to understand boxing and weight , as it is you are all caught up in the weigh-in weight and pay no attention to the fight night weight , look at Figueroa he was 148 on fight night in his last fight , and people are saying how will he go in the higher division , I bet he does real well .

All this Marquez was a FW fighting a WW is total ignorance to what is really going on , I posted the pics of Floyd and Juan , is that 20lbs difference , absolutely not , look at the pics its right before your eyes , but that does not suit a haters agenda , so they ignore the real life images and preach about FWs , Floyd and Marquez are within 3-4 lbs of each other in the real world , Manny is right in the middle , a little bigger than JMM not quite as big as Floyd , but it is only a couple of pounds .

You guys need to learn and understand this sport and what is not so apparent going on within it , the ignorance in this forum is mind boggling .

[bopbopbbe]

Floyd was taller, faster, longer, with a pure boxer style who he weight cheated against. The fight was a god damn layup for him.

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Floyd was taller, faster, longer, with a pure boxer style who he weight cheated against. The fight was a god damn layup for him.

You forgot to mention Floyd is a superior fighter in every way , Floyd is just too good and the haters hate it , a pathetic state of affairs , when Marquez and Nacho look at Floyd in awe the hating fanboys dog him , unreal .

[HeGotPacProblem]

You forgot to mention Floyd is a superior fighter in every way , Floyd is just too good and the haters hate it , a pathetic state of affairs , when Marquez and Nacho look at Floyd in awe the hating fanboys dog him , unreal .

He can look good because he is the A side and can choose his opponents, glove, venue, weight, etc.

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He can look good because he is the A side and can choose his opponents, glove, venue, weight, etc.

So is this why Pac looks good in his fights? He is the A side and can do the same thing.

[HeGotPacProblem]

So is this why Pac looks good in his fights? He is the A side and can do the same thing.

He's taken JMM 4 times and fights were all close.

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He's taken JMM 4 times and fights were all close.

Obviously JMM doesn't believe that is the reason Floyd looked good, otherwise he would've lobbied for a rematch after he KO'd Pac. He didn't, he said "we've already seen that". He knows what time it is. Not sure why Pac should be looked at with more respect seeing that he couldn't get done in 4 fights what Floyd got done in 1.