Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr Claims Free Agent Status, Top Rank Disagrees

[Tyler_Durden]

Requiring him to sign an extension of his contract to get the money that he deserved is a prime example of strong arming.

How do you know how much money any given fighter desserves? You don't know how much profit they are making for the promoters and everyone else that is investing in the fight in order for it to happen. Investors and everyone involved have to make money too, so if what they are investing in is not long term then obviously they can not put in as much money.

From an article I read here, Chavez was given different options and he didn't take any of them so he has not fulfilled his contract.

[STEELHEAD]

Chavez Jr. vs. Froch is my preference from a purely entertainment perspective.

agree. would love to see boy jr. put in his proper place.

[Hougigo]

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[HeroBando]

That is the definition of strong arming.

Do what I say and you can have all the money you are entitled to. Don't do what I say and you will only get 30 percent of the money you are entitled to receive. You are obviously a person who would settle for the 30 percent. Chavez Jr. is not.

Thats the promoters job, dumba$$. Why would he offer him crazy money for no extension? Thats why youre not a promoter but a blowhard poster.

Chavez is not entitled to ****, without Top Ranks coddling hes a bum. He was offered amazing terms for a 1 fight extension, passed. **** him

[Tyler_Durden]

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[big_james10]

How do you know how much money any given fighter desserves? You don't know how much profit they are making for the promoters and everyone else that is investing in the fight in order for it to happen. Investors and everyone involved have to make money too, so if what they are investing in is not long term then obviously they can not put in as much money.

From an article I read here, Chavez was given different options and he didn't take any of them so he has not fulfilled his contract.

What I know is that no promoter goes into a fight expecting to lose money. Arum offered Chavez Jr $7 million to fight GGG if he signed an extension and $2 million without one. There are no f......g investors. Bob Arum is the investor and Bob Arum is too smart to pay $10 million in purse fees when he only expects to make $3 million on a fight. Arum offered Chavez Jr. that much money because he knew he would make a hell of a lot more money on the fight. He lowballed him when Chavez Jr refused to bend over and take it in the a.....ss. Do you think Arum would risk losing a minimum of $5 million just to sign Chavez Jr. to an extension when he had no idea if he would recoup his money?

You don't know a damn thing about Chavez Jr.'s contract, what it says about the number of fights owed or the expiration dates or anything else it says. Based on his history, I don't believe anything Bob Arum says. If you believe anything Lying Bob Arum, says, then you are truly one gullible m....fer.

[big_james10]

Thats the promoters job, dumba$$. Why would he offer him crazy money for no extension? Thats why youre not a promoter but a blowhard poster.

Chavez is not entitled to ****, without Top Ranks coddling hes a bum. He was offered amazing terms for a 1 fight extension, passed. **** him

Tell me which fights you have promoted in your lifetime? What the hell do you know about promoting? If he is a bum, then Top Rank should let him go. Instead, they are trying to force Chavez to stay with Top Rank for the rest of his career and make less money that he could make if he left. Instead of making $30 million for a fight like Mayweather, Arum thinks Chavez should stay with Top Rank and make a maximum of $7 million.

Are you actually telling me that it is a promoter's job to strong arm a fighter, force him to sign a contract extension that he does not want to sign and to do whatever the hell the promoter wants him to do regardless of whether the fighter wants to do it or not?

Is that what you allow your employer to do to you? Probably not because you are likely one those bums who doesn't work and lives in your mother's trailer or perhaps you are sitting at home in your own trailer watching television all day while waiting on your disability check.


One of the things I hate about this message board is that it is full of people who are dumb as a box of rocks and are so low class that you can't make a comment without calling someone a name.

[HeroBando]

Tell me which fights you have promoted in your lifetime? What the hell do you know about promoting? If he is a bum, then Top Rank should let him go. Instead, they are trying to force Chavez to stay with Top Rank for the rest of his career and make less money that he could make if he left. Instead of making $30 million for a fight like Mayweather, Arum thinks Chavez should stay with Top Rank and make a maximum of $7 million.

Are you actually telling me that it is a promoter's job to strong arm a fighter, force him to sign a contract extension that he does not want to sign and to do whatever the hell the promoter wants him to do regardless of whether the fighter wants to do it or not?

Is that what you allow your employer to do to you? Probably not because you are likely one those bums who doesn't work and lives in your mother's trailer or perhaps you are sitting at home in your own trailer watching television all day while waiting on your disability check.


One of the things I hate about this message board is that it is full of people who are dumb as a box of rocks and are so low class that you can't make a comment without calling someone a name.

Gotcha, Chavez = Floyd. Laughable, esp coming from a hard core flo mo a$$wipe.

Chavez is a marketable bum, but hes only marketable cause TR did an incredible job building his sorry a$$ up, else hes Omar Chavez. Get lost, thicko

[Joey_Torreo]

never heard of an Al Haymon fighter trying to sue Al or having these kind of problems, and people say Al Haymon is ruining the sport smh

Al Haymon is an advisor, not promoter

[kiaba360]

Its been so long you may be right. And Arum said something about, "I dont want to help build you up, give you a payday, then you leave!" Im coming down off some bud, plus its been a long time. And GGG was supposed to be one of his biggest fights so he didnt want to be paid the same he would be paid for fighting a bum.....?

Yall gotta refresh my memory.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.'s manager, Billy Keane, contends that the Mexican star was undervalued and treated unfairly during negotiations for a 168-pound matchup with WBA middleweight titleholder Gennady Golovkin. This countered an earlier assertion by Top Rank CEO Bob Arum that the 28-year-old son of the legendary champion turned down "a crazy, unbelievable offer" that he insisted was "still better than what Golovkin accepted for the fight."

"I didn't reveal any numbers during my first go-round in interviews because, first of all, Bob originally asked me not to speak to the media," said Keane. "He wanted to craft a statement when it looked like the fight may not happen that we did not come to a meeting of the minds and that we did not want to discuss terms. I respected that until he gave an interview.

"Now, it's not my preference or Julio's preference to get into a media expose on how Top Rank has mistreated Julio during these negotiations, but I do have to correct the misrepresentation that Bob [is] making. I did that yesterday, but I did not mention any specific numbers, but since today, Bob has gone on record with the specific numbers, I feel comfortable doing that."

Keane was not available for an immediate comment earlier on Thursday when Arum revealed his original offer to ******.com, one the promoter said was inclusive of two fights within the terms of the existing contract, which Arum said lasts through October 2015 with Chavez.

"It called for the Golovkin fight to pay him a minimum $7 million, and if he lost that fight, we guaranteed him another fight for $5 million. Now if he beat Golovkin, then we would pay him a minimum for his next fight of $10 million," said Arum, during his earlier interview with ******.com.

"So we would … do these two fights, and the minimum he would make is $12 million, and if he was successful, $17 million plus. He turned that offer down. So we offered him a one-fight offer at considerably less money but still better than what Golovkin accepted for the fight and he turned that down. So, obviously, he doesn't want the fight and we go on with our business."

While Keane disagreed slightly on the numbers mentioned by Arum, he strongly disliked the method in which he felt Chavez was treated, including his belief that there were "attempts to coerce Julio into signing extensions."

"The offer was a $6.6 million guarantee for Julio to fight Golovkin, which included two extensions. Although we considered that offer a below-market offer for a pay-per-view fight of this stature, Julio, nonetheless, immediately responded to all of the fight terms. It was a fight that he wanted, it was a fight that the people wanted, and he wanted to give them that," said Keane.

"What he did not agree to was a two-fight extension. But Everything else, he agreed to. There were multiple other offers by Top Rank that always included extensions. The last one is correct. Bob did offer him a $7 million guarantee with a one-fight extension, and $10 million if he won, $5 million if he lost. Again, we accepted the fight, but not the extensions."

Keane said that Arum "then came back to us with a standalone fight with no extensions for a $2 million guaranteed purse," and that Top Rank would not budge on its final one-fight offer.

"That's $5 million less and a more than 70 percent decrease than his first offer, and an upside that didn't kick in until there were 375,000 buys. This is the exact same guarantee offered to Golovkin," said Keane. "But with all due respect to Golovkin, there is no scenario where anyone believes that Chavez and Golovkin are in parity and that they should be making the same, or similar or even in the same ballpark the amount of money."

I'm so tired of Chavez and his promoter drama.