Top country in boxing. The U.S. or Mexico?

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  • -PBP-
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    #61
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn
    The top 2 Mexican fighters listed by the TS won maybe 1 out of 24 rounds against the top American on the TS list.
    I wonder what the all time record in championship fights is.

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    • Cleto_Reyes
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      #62
      right now its Mexico. Us is not looking bright and the future for US boxing isnt looking that bright either

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      • The Big Dunn
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        #63
        Originally posted by Dagomba
        Like I said on my post, it's hard to match them head to head because it isn't fair, Mexicans are generally smaller than Americans. This is more about comparing the two countries.
        ok, fair point

        Originally posted by VAGAB0ND
        I didn't list either countries "Top" fighters. I listed their "Superstars". Andre Ward is one of the "top" fighters in the U.S., but he is not a superstar, right?

        The fact that Mayweather beat Alvarez and Marquez does not nullify the rest of Mexico's body of work as a whole.

        I mean, if we're talking about which country produces DIVAS that need every advantage then the U.S. destroys Mexico, .
        List the best Mexican boxers then and we can see.

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          #64
          People are dodging the facts. Let's compare the p4p list for both countries:

          U.S.

          1. Floyd Mayweather
          2. Andre Ward
          3. Timothy Bradley
          4. Bernard Hopkins
          5. Danny Garcia
          6. Mikey Garcia
          7. Terence Crawford
          8. Demetrius Andrade
          9. Robert Guerrero
          10. Lamont Peterson

          Mexico

          1. Juan Manuel Marquez
          2. Juan Fransicso Estrada
          3. Canelo Alvarez
          4. Orlando Salido
          5. Abner Mares
          6. Jhonny Gonzalez
          7. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
          8. Miguel Vazquez
          9. Santa Cruz Cherry Lemonade
          10. Francisco Vargas


          I mean come on. Mexico is a cute little country and they have some fun rowdy fans that love boxing and get hyped up over their cute little toe to toe tough guy contests but in terms of pure talent, there is no comparison.
          Last edited by -PBP-; 10-03-2014, 11:53 AM.

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          • sicko
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            #65
            Waste of time doing a poll like this on this forum

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            • Dinamita 03
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              #66
              Originally posted by PBP
              People are dodging the facts. Let's compare the p4p list for both countries:

              U.S.

              1. Floyd Mayweather
              2. Andre Ward
              3. Timothy Bradley
              4. Bernard Hopkins
              5. Danny Garcia
              6. Mikey Garcia
              7. Terence Crawford
              8. Demetrius Andrade
              9. Robert Guerrero
              10. Lamont Peterson

              Mexico

              1. Juan Manuel Marquez
              2. Juan Fransicso Estrada
              3. Canelo Alvarez
              4. Orlando Salido
              5. Abner Mares
              6. Jhonny Gonzalez
              7. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
              8. Miguel Vazquez
              9. Santa Cruz Cherry Lemonade
              10. Francisco Vargas


              I mean come on. Mexico is a cute little country and they have some fun rowdy fans that love boxing and get hyped up over their cute little toe to toe brawls but in terms of pure talent, there is no comparison.
              That's a ****ty list you compiled for Mexico though. Jr is not a top fighter, nor is Santa Cruz or Vargas top 10.

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              • The Big Dunn
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                #67
                Originally posted by PBP
                People are dodging the facts. Let's compare the p4p list for both countries:

                U.S.

                1. Floyd Mayweather
                2. Andre Ward
                3. Timothy Bradley
                4. Bernard Hopkins
                5. Danny Garcia
                6. Mikey Garcia
                7. Terence Crawford
                8. Demetrius Andrade
                9. Robert Guerrero
                10. Lamont Peterson

                Mexico

                1. Juan Manuel Marquez
                2. Juan Fransicso Estrada
                3. Canelo Alvarez
                4. Orlando Salido
                5. Abner Mares
                6. Jhonny Gonzalez
                7. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
                8. Miguel Vazquez
                9. Santa Cruz Cherry Lemonade
                10. Francisco Vargas


                I mean come on. Mexico is a cute little country and they have some fun rowdy fans that love boxing and get hyped up over their cute little toe to toe tough guy contests but in terms of pure talent, there is no comparison.
                Oscar Valdez may be a better prospect than Errol Spence and Canelo will surely be the next big star over Broner. Other than that, the list ends any argument the TS has.

                FYI-leave Santa Cruz alone.

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                • VAGAB0ND
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Dinamita 03
                  That's a ****ty list you compiled for Mexico though. Jr is not a top fighter, nor is Santa Cruz or Vargas top 10.
                  Yeah, I'd say Mexico's Top 10, in no particular order would be:

                  1. Juan Manuel Marquez
                  2. Francisco Rodriguez Jr.
                  3. Saul Alvarez
                  4. Abner Mares
                  5. Juan Francisco Estrada
                  6. Carlos Molina
                  7. Miguel Vazquez
                  8. Orlando Salido
                  9. Jhonny Gonzalez
                  10. Carlos Cuadras

                  All face-first brawlers, .

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                  • Dinamita 03
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by VAGAB0ND
                    Yeah, I'd say Mexico's Top 10, in no particular order would be:

                    1. Juan Manuel Marquez
                    2. Francisco Rodriguez Jr.
                    3. Saul Alvarez
                    4. Abner Mares
                    5. Juan Francisco Estrada
                    6. Carlos Molina
                    7. Miguel Vazquez
                    8. Orlando Salido
                    9. Jhonny Gonzalez
                    10. Carlos Cuadras

                    All face-first brawlers, .
                    Raymundo Beltran an honorable mention.

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                    • Dagomba
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                      #70
                      Originally posted by PBP
                      People are dodging the facts. Let's compare the p4p list for both countries:

                      U.S.

                      1. Floyd Mayweather
                      2. Andre Ward
                      3. Timothy Bradley
                      4. Bernard Hopkins
                      5. Danny Garcia
                      6. Mikey Garcia
                      7. Terence Crawford
                      8. Demetrius Andrade
                      9. Robert Guerrero
                      10. Lamont Peterson

                      Mexico

                      1. Juan Manuel Marquez
                      2. Juan Fransicso Estrada
                      3. Canelo Alvarez
                      4. Orlando Salido
                      5. Abner Mares
                      6. Jhonny Gonzalez
                      7. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
                      8. Miguel Vazquez
                      9. Santa Cruz Cherry Lemonade
                      10. Francisco Vargas


                      I mean come on. Mexico is a cute little country and they have some fun rowdy fans that love boxing and get hyped up over their cute little toe to toe tough guy contests but in terms of pure talent, there is no comparison.
                      24 yo Estrada

                      Estrada >>>>>>Peterson
                      Estrada>>>>>>>Guerrero
                      Estrada>Tim bradley
                      Estrada>Adrade
                      This is more about being tested and my personal bias
                      Estrada>Crawford

                      That is a **** list by the way.

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