The Special Shakes point is not moot because Ariza is working with Floyd

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No he is not. He is a S&C who has been at the right place at the right time with fighters.

I tend to think that him, memo, heredia are all the top juice doctors in boxing..

[joesaiditstrue]

Your explanation seems more absurd because Ariza has a history of being a successful strength and conditioning coach with athletes that have passed random testing. He did a great job with Khan, Maidana, Chavez Jr and Pac even though Pac refused testing, he still did a good job with them.

I will say that Ariza does have a shady past with the following:

1. Pac refusing testing and abnormal amounts of energy/strength in 08/09.

2. Making Maidana sniff some schit up his nose when he was hurt by Broner.

3. Rios' failed test for a diuretic I think.

Yes, Ariza's done some shady stuff, but let him do shady stuff with Floyd before we accuse Floyd of juicing. Also, Floyd has done the same routine for almost 18 years. Yes, it works and it's effective, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with change at 37 years old. Nothing wrong with striving to be better.

Are you familiar with the phrase guilty by association?

[KevinHenry007]

You can't have it both ways tard.

Either Manny was clean with Ariza, or Manny was dirty with Ariza and Floyd is now dirty with Ariza.

No, this is what you fail to understand. Just because Ariza gave Pac PED's in 08/09 doesn't mean he'll give Floyd PED's in 2015, almost 7 years later.

PED's stands for Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Until I see Mayweather's performance enhanced (i.e. 2-3 round KO's with increased punching power), he's not on PED's in my book.

I say Ariza gave Pac PED's in 08/09, well, because I actually saw Pac's performance enhance right before our very own eyes.

[KevinHenry007]

Are you familiar with the phrase guilty by association?

Yes and I don't agree with it one bit. Those that use that theory are stereotypical idiots.

[bojangles1987]

Think about how ridiculous it is to say "I know Ariza has all these shady incidents on record, and I think he cheated with this fighter, but we shouldn't assume he was brought in by the ****** rich 38-year-old p4p king who's on the decline and has called Ariza a cheater, to cheat!"

[Free Booty Dew!]

I tend to think that him, memo, heredia are all the top juice doctors in boxing..

Oh memo is undoubtedly, he has been convicted of supplying PEDs, has a background in chemistry and is on record boasting about his ability to avoid PED detection.

Ariza has no background in chemistry and is just a regular S&C guy who flaps his gums and loves all the undue attention he gets.

[Free Booty Dew!]

No, this is what you fail to understand. Just because Ariza gave Pac PED's in 08/09 doesn't mean he'll give Floyd PED's in 2015, almost 7 years later.

PED's stands for Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Until I see Mayweather's performance enhanced (i.e. 2-3 round KO's with increased punching power), he's not on PED's in my book.

I say Ariza gave Pac PED's in 08/09, well, because I actually saw Pac's performance enhance right before our very own eyes.

You're a phaggot.

If Ariza gave Manny PEDs and was a PED supplier back then, he is going to be doing the same now.

[KevinHenry007]

Think about how ridiculous it is to say "I know Ariza has all these shady incidents on record, and I think he cheated with this fighter, but we shouldn't assume he was brought in by the ****** rich 38-year-old p4p king who's on the decline and has called Ariza a cheater, to cheat!"

It's not ridiculous if you have a brain.

PED's stands for "performance enhancing drugs".

Why is it so bad to ask to see Mayweather's performance enhance before we say he's taking performance enhancing drugs?

Floyd is still the same pillow puncher from 7 years ago. Maidana even said Mayweather's punches tickled for fcuk's sake.

Can we at least see Floyd knock out 1 guy in 2 rounds before saying his performance enhanced?? Is that too much to ask for?

We've seen Manny do it on several occasions. Can we at least see Floyd do it once before we say he's taking Performance enhancing drugs?

[KevinHenry007]

You're a phaggot.

If Ariza gave Manny PEDs and was a PED supplier back then, he is going to be doing the same now.

You guys really aren't that smart.

If a guy robbed a liquor store back in 1989 and was in the same area when a robbery occured in 2009, that means he robbed the store because he did so in 1989.

You are literally ******ed with logic.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

It's not ridiculous if you have a brain.

PED's stands for "performance enhancing drugs".

Why is it so bad to ask to see Mayweather's performance enhance before we say he's taking performance enhancing drugs?

Floyd is still the same pillow puncher from 7 years ago. Maidana even said Mayweather's punches tickled for fcuk's sake.

Can we at least see Floyd knock out 1 guy in 2 rounds before saying his performance enhanced?? Is that too much to ask for?

We've seen Manny do it on several occasions. Can we at least see Floyd do it once before we say he's taking Performance enhancing drugs?

PEDS dont change a fighter, they enhance a fighter...

Floyd will be quicker, fresher legs, and will have great movement and explosiveness like he had vs Gatti..
Its not going to turn him into a ko machine