The Special Shakes point is not moot because Ariza is working with Floyd

[KevinHenry007]

I actually I get what the OP is saying, he's admitted Floyd's a hypocrite by hiring Ariza, but it doesn't necessarily follow that he will use steroids as well just because he's hired Ariza. Is there evidence to suggest he will based on arizas record? Definitely. But there's no guarantee he will. We just have wait and see.

Outside, of one small minor detail, this is exactly what I'm saying.

Thank you sir.

[Beercules]

Is Dunn banned or something? This seems like his alt

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You have to be one of the dumbest guys on the scene. Wow, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone with such limited brain power and can make serious statements like "when ariza's in your camp, you're juicing".

So Ariza doesnt have a past of juicing his fighters, and every trainer he has ever worked with doesnt kick him out of camp as they dont want to be associated with him....


you even said earlier manny juiced with ariza,,, but floyd hiring him is only for pointers...... And your neutral... LMAO

[Ruthless One]

I need the same proof Dave Chappelle needed before believing R. Kelly pissed on that underage girl.

Drip drip drip.

[KevinHenry007]

So Ariza doesnt have a past of juicing his fighters, and every trainer he has ever worked with doesnt kick him out of camp as they dont want to be associated with him....


you even said earlier manny juiced with ariza,,, but floyd hiring him is only for pointers...... And your neutral... LMAO

All of the above is true. He's been kicked out of camp for various reasons, none of which for being a juice peddler.

Other than that, I don't know how many times I have to tell you yes, you're correct lol You keep repeating yourself and I keep saying yes, that's correct. Let's try this again.

Yes, Floyd is a hypocrite for working with Ariza. But that doesn't change the fact that Manny was doping in 08/09 and just because Ariza has been dirty in 08/09, doesn't mean he'll do the same in 2015. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm neutral because I can say Floyd is a huge hypocrite, but not a PED cheat.

Floyd is getting older and can use some assistance. Adding Ariza isn't the only change he's made to his camp. He's also let Garcia/Ellerbe go which I don't necessarily agree with.

Now do you want to keep going in circles by repeating yourself followed by me saying "yes, you're correct" or did you get my rebuttal thru your thick skull once and for all whether you agree or not?

[Free Booty Dew!]

Manny was throwing 1000+ punches a fight vs margs, and clottey,,,

Now he doesnt have the same endurance, explosiveness, stamina, and takes time off during rounds and really only fights in spurts anymore....

Manny in 2009 destroys and stops bradley, just like how he did cotto

Well Manny is also older now so that could play a part, he was at the age most fighters reach their peak in 2009.

Plus Clottey goes in a shell and doesn't throw much and Margs is slow as hell.

[Spacey1991]

Why are people somehow coming to the conclusion that the Ariza "special shakes" point is moot/voided because Ariza is now working with Mayweather?

Ariza supplied Pac with "special shakes" that even Freddy Roach, Pac's own trainer, said was shady. Keep in mind, this was during a time when Pac was indestructible and crushing all competition.

Just because it's 2014 and Ariza hasn't supplied his special shakes in over 6 years, that still doesn't take away the fact that he was doing some shady stuff with Pac-- just ask Freddy Roach.

He's also done some shady stuff in the 12 round of Maidana/Broner.

Just because he's working with Floyd, that doesn't erase history. All this means is we'll have to watch Ariza the same as we watched him in the past and if he does anything shady, call him and Floyd out collectively.

Floyd has implied in the past that all of Ariza's fighters are on something, his dad and uncle have pretty much flat out said it in the past. To hire Ariza is extremely hypocritical and he should expect to be walking into a **** storm!

I've always respected him as a fighter, I think hes unbelievably good and I admire his skills and ability... but what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong, and the truth is he has made himself look a complete and utter tool here.

Doing this, supposedly ditching Ellerbe and Garcia - guys who've been there since the early days (not read into it enough to know whether or not its true), the weed smoking in all access, makes me wonder if Floyd has lost his mind.

Not to mention the fact that hes always promoting not taking punishment and having a healthy life after boxing only to pressure guys in your gym to spar until exhaustion and have bets on who will win.

There is a pattern here, he gives people a reason to put him on blast, if he does it on purpose for promotional reasons then its working, but nobody can complain because he well and truly brings most of it on himself.

[Free Booty Dew!]

1. floyd is a known liar
2. ariza is a known PED guy
3. mayweather gym has produced alot of juiced fighters
4.floyd is aging and is on the verge of losing his spot on top
5. floyd hires ariza

If you cant connect the dots, then your in denial....

All the top fighters are juicing ie manny, marquez, and now floyd is joining the club

Its really not to hard to understand why he brought ariza into camp

No he is not. He is a S&C who has been at the right place at the right time with fighters.

[KevinHenry007]

Floyd has implied in the past that all of Ariza's fighters are on something, his dad and uncle have pretty much flat out said it in the past. To hire Ariza is extremely hypocritical and he should expect to be walking into a **** storm!

I've always respected him as a fighter, I think hes unbelievably good and I admire his skills and ability... but what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong, and the truth is he has made himself look a complete and utter tool here.

Doing this, supposedly ditching Ellerbe and Garcia - guys who've been there since the early days (not read into it enough to know whether or not its true), the weed smoking in all access, makes me wonder if Floyd has lost his mind.

Not to mention the fact that hes always promoting not taking punishment and having a healthy life after boxing only to pressure guys in your gym to spar until exhaustion and have bets on who will win.

There is a pattern here, he gives people a reason to put him on blast, if he does it on purpose for promotional reasons then its working, but nobody can complain because he well and truly brings most of it on himself.

Floyd is one of the biggest hypocrite's out there. He's done worse in the past. But being a hypocrite doesn't make him a PED user today and doesn't change the fact that Ariza supplied Pac with PED's in 08/09.

We'll have to see if Floyd is juicing based on his future performances.

If he KO's Cotto, GGG, Andrade, Thurman, etc in the first 2-3 rounds, then we'll know something is up and that Floyd is on that good stuff.

Hey, Sugar Adam Ali, where's those lottery numbers at?

[Free Booty Dew!]

All of the above is true. He's been kicked out of camp for various reasons, none of which for being a juice peddler.

Other than that, I don't know how many times I have to tell you yes, you're correct lol You keep repeating yourself and I keep saying yes, that's correct. Let's try this again.

Yes, Floyd is a hypocrite for working with Ariza. But that doesn't change the fact that Manny was doping in 08/09 and just because Ariza has been dirty in 08/09, doesn't mean he'll do the same in 2015. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm neutral because I can say Floyd is a huge hypocrite, but not a PED cheat.

Floyd is getting older and can use some assistance. Adding Ariza isn't the only change he's made to his camp. He's also let Garcia/Ellerbe go which I don't necessarily agree with.

Now do you want to keep going in circles by repeating yourself followed by me saying "yes, you're correct" or did you get my rebuttal thru your thick skull once and for all whether you agree or not?

You can't have it both ways tard.

Either Manny was clean with Ariza, or Manny was dirty with Ariza and Floyd is now dirty with Ariza.