P4P Irrelevance

[MRCHOKEaMF]

47-0 five-division world champion, having won ten world titles and the lineal championship in four different weight classes. Mayweather has fought against more World champions than anyone in boxing history. Mayweather is a two-time Ring magazine Fighter of the Year (winning the award in 1998 and 2007); he also won the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) Fighter of the Year award in 2007 and the Best Fighter ESPY Award in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014. I can see why you dont like his Boxing skills

[bluebeam]

Listen carefully mate because this is key..

There never has and never can be concrete rules on what constitutes a lb for lb comparison. That's what makes it such a hot talking point.

However to say lb for lb discussions are now irrelevant is ridiculous. They are just as relevant as always (how could it be otherwise?)

The points you made really had nothing to do with how lb for lb. The ranking of Andre Ward is simply a mistake. What you are really whinging at here are the politics of the sport and the influence some men have in it to keep a guy like Ward at number 2 despite the fact we all know he'd be KO'd be Golovkin or Kovalev now within a few rounds.

As for Floyd, nobody sober has ever called him TBE. He has a small group of blind followers and an even smaller propaganda group on the payroll that try to promote him as such, and then there is the vast majority who are well aware of his short comings and cowardliness and fully acknowledge that he refuses to fight the number 2 guy and so can never be considered the true lb for lb great. The problem would be clear cut of course except for the fact that Pac has some losses whereas Floyd is unbeaten (the "0" argument), and the fact Floyd beat MArquez in 1 fight and Pac, despite beating MArquez 3 times already, was viciously KO'd 1ce, thus, these 2 points paint the aura for Floyd to justify avoiding Pac, an opponent more than likely to wallop him.

Floyd is purely business, if he fights Pac, and loses.. The money is gone, his life as he knows it is finished. He will never let that happen.

Pac is a peoples champion and likeable hero. He is also an entertaining fighter.

Floyd has a boring, cowardly and weak style. He is a scum of a person too, meaning once his marketability dries up, he's done. The ONLY reason 90% of people go to see a Floyd fight, is to watch him lose.

Facts!

anybody who spends there hard earned money too see somebody they don't like is pretty ****ing ****** wouldn't you say? (A down low fan). according too your logic people who hate mayweather buy his ppv's more than people who love the hero pacquiao. so Floyd has more haters than pacquaio has fans?


ward would dominate golovkin and kovalev. plus he has wins over the other kingpin of his division. (froch) that's why he ranks so high.

the p4p list is a list of the top 10 fighters in boxing. based off of resume,skills,titles,record,popularity. it's just opinion based.


mayweather- unbeaten for 18 years through 5 weight classes
ward- beat everybody relevant at 168, while remaining unbeaten.
rigondeaux- maybe the most skilled fighter in the sport
pacqiuao-good resume, been p4p for 10 years, while moving up in weight
wladamir-2nd longest reigning heavyweight champion ever, hasn't lost in 10yrs
froch-best resume in boxing over the last 8 yrs. his only true loss was ward.
Bradley-decent resume thru 2 weight classes, only loss is too a legend
marquez-one of the best technical fighters ever, still at the top of his game
Hopkins-has a chance too hold 3 out of 4 of the titles at light heavyweight
golovkin-17 straight ko's, 11 straight title defenses, most avoided boxer.

I think these are the top 10 p4p fighters, im sure everybody list is different, but that's whats makes it worth discussing

[soul_survivor]

P4P is a bit of fun but ive been thinking the same recently, guys should take over their divisions and establish dominance.

Cant please everyone though GGG has haters for wanting to clean out his own division and not jump up in weights

yeah, as a fun thing between friends its all good but when it starts over taking divisional superiority it becomes nonsense.

It's not ******, the reasoning behind the lists takes into account a boxer's abilities as well as his resume. Arguing about P4P actually requires being up to date on all the weight classes and on fighters from all over the globe.

Some divisions are really weak as well. So it's nice to see the guys who are facing tougher opposition get some credit for it.

ability and resume is what I'm taking into account but for some reason floyd being p4p no. 1 and another fighter not being no. 1 over takes actual important discussions, like who's the best in a division and who is actually fighting the best opponents.

Floyd beat shane when shane was ranked #1 everywhere except Ring. So why you make some good points overall about p4p, to say he specifically hasn't defeated the best in the division is not accurate.

lol this old argument, gtfoh

47-0 five-division world champion, having won ten world titles and the lineal championship in four different weight classes. Mayweather has fought against more World champions than anyone in boxing history. Mayweather is a two-time Ring magazine Fighter of the Year (winning the award in 1998 and 2007); he also won the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA) Fighter of the Year award in 2007 and the Best Fighter ESPY Award in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2013 and 2014. I can see why you dont like his Boxing skills

He's won the 2015 award already? And he won the ESPY award in 2012...for one fight against Cotto who clearly was no longer near his best.

The BWAA award probably tells u more, only winning it in 2007 for a reason lol

But like I said, there is no denying Floyd is one of the top 2 welters of his generation...he just hasn't fought the other one so can not maintain some sort of divisional dominance by fighting limited sluggers in Ortiz and Maidana or b level fighters in Guerrero. It's just why I think p4p is so ****** now.

[MRCHOKEaMF]

yeah, as a fun thing between friends its all good but when it starts over taking divisional superiority it becomes nonsense.



ability and resume is what I'm taking into account but for some reason floyd being p4p no. 1 and another fighter not being no. 1 over takes actual important discussions, like who's the best in a division and who is actually fighting the best opponents.



lol this old argument, gtfoh



He's won the 2015 award already? And he won the ESPY award in 2012...for one fight against Cotto who clearly was no longer near his best.

The BWAA award probably tells u more, only winning it in 2007 for a reason lol

But like I said, there is no denying Floyd is one of the top 2 welters of his generation...he just hasn't fought the other one so can not maintain some sort of divisional dominance by fighting limited sluggers in Ortiz and Maidana or b level fighters in Guerrero. It's just why I think p4p is so ****** now.

cause Floyd is on top, thats why

[DeadLikeMe]

Why not just come out and say "I'm mad because boxing experts no longer rate Pacquiao #1 and it hurts my feelings"

[TheUglyness]

Why not just come out and say "I'm mad because boxing experts no longer rate Pacquiao #1 and it hurts my feelings"

Because that probably is not why he made this thread. Maybe it had to do with the legitimate idea that he proposed.

Anyway, I agree with a lot of this. Because even when there is a clear maybe top 3 or 4, the rest are completely subjective (well, sort of). There's a lot of good fighters out there and it's very difficult to really compare them to each other when the are in completely different weight classes and fighting completely different fighters.

Even then, the top 3 even is subjective to a certain degree. It's just a weird idea overall and I think people should really focus more on weight class rankings instead.

[Kagami Taiga]

lol, ppl arguing over p4p. the answer is its a mythical list that means nothing in the end. no 2 ppl are gonna agree on the 10 best fighters in the world because everyone has their own criteria.

[JoeyNumbers]

It's not ******, the reasoning behind the lists takes into account a boxer's abilities as well as his resume.

That would be very subjective. the quality of a resume and especially determining someones ability is not scientific, and will vary from fan to media persona. I think the p4p list is closer to a popularity contest between guys with successful recent outings.

[soul_survivor]

Why not just come out and say "I'm mad because boxing experts no longer rate Pacquiao #1 and it hurts my feelings"

LOL no, I haven't had Pac no. 1 on my own personal list since his KO loss to JMM so...yeah

Because that probably is not why he made this thread. Maybe it had to do with the legitimate idea that he proposed.

Anyway, I agree with a lot of this. Because even when there is a clear maybe top 3 or 4, the rest are completely subjective (well, sort of). There's a lot of good fighters out there and it's very difficult to really compare them to each other when the are in completely different weight classes and fighting completely different fighters.

Even then, the top 3 even is subjective to a certain degree. It's just a weird idea overall and I think people should really focus more on weight class rankings instead.

exactly!!

That would be very subjective. the quality of a resume and especially determining someones ability is not scientific, and will vary from fan to media persona. I think the p4p list is closer to a popularity contest between guys with successful recent outings.

I think, if someone is being totally unbiased and objective, a resume is a great way to judge a part of someone's career.

Pacquiao beating and in fact destroying Barrera was a great win, there should never be any argument for that but Pacquiao fighting an almost shot Mosley was not. Hopkins currently fighting Kovalev is exceptional, Hopkins beating Murat was not. We just have to be unbiased.

[Jsmooth9876]

Floyd beat shane when shane was ranked #1 everywhere except Ring. So why you make some good points overall about p4p, to say he specifically hasn't defeated the best in the division is not accurate.

Wow, how did Shane hold onto that #1 spot being inactive for 17 months at 38 years old lol.