P4P Irrelevance

[soul_survivor]

I wanted to post this a few days ago but felt it was more appropriate here but I really believe that the P4P list and the idea of ranking guys with such subjective and floaty rules has become irrelevant.

The whole idea of judging guys iwthout weight divisions made sense during the time of Robinson, maybe in the 70s with Duran clearly the second best fighter on the planet and a booming welterweight/middleweight scene and then again in the 80s with Leonard/Hearns and Hagler.

But now, over the course of the last 2-3 years, there isn't any point, how can Mayweather even claim to be the best in his division when he hasn't beaten the other guy in his division? If you're not even the best unanimous guy in ur division, how can you be P4P no .1 and how can a man who never boxes be ranked at number 2?

How can we make a list when the vast majority of names in that top 10 aren't even unified champs, or haven't faced the best on offer. It's become ******. We should spend more time on focusing on the best guys in particular divisions.

[The Surgeon]

P4P is a bit of fun but ive been thinking the same recently, guys should take over their divisions and establish dominance.

Cant please everyone though GGG has haters for wanting to clean out his own division and not jump up in weights

[ShoulderRoll]

It's not ******, the reasoning behind the lists takes into account a boxer's abilities as well as his resume. Arguing about P4P actually requires being up to date on all the weight classes and on fighters from all over the globe.

Some divisions are really weak as well. So it's nice to see the guys who are facing tougher opposition get some credit for it.

[Scary]

I completely agree with your post. P4P is bull****, but some people, especially hardcore Floyd / Pac fans just can't see any it.

[Elroy1]

I wanted to post this a few days ago but felt it was more appropriate here but I really believe that the P4P list and the idea of ranking guys with such subjective and floaty rules has become irrelevant.

The whole idea of judging guys iwthout weight divisions made sense during the time of Robinson, maybe in the 70s with Duran clearly the second best fighter on the planet and a booming welterweight/middleweight scene and then again in the 80s with Leonard/Hearns and Hagler.

But now, over the course of the last 2-3 years, there isn't any point, how can Mayweather even claim to be the best in his division when he hasn't beaten the other guy in his division? If you're not even the best unanimous guy in ur division, how can you be P4P no .1 and how can a man who never boxes be ranked at number 2?

How can we make a list when the vast majority of names in that top 10 aren't even unified champs, or haven't faced the best on offer. It's become ******. We should spend more time on focusing on the best guys in particular divisions.

Listen carefully mate because this is key..

There never has and never can be concrete rules on what constitutes a lb for lb comparison. That's what makes it such a hot talking point.

However to say lb for lb discussions are now irrelevant is ridiculous. They are just as relevant as always (how could it be otherwise?)

The points you made really had nothing to do with how lb for lb. The ranking of Andre Ward is simply a mistake. What you are really whinging at here are the politics of the sport and the influence some men have in it to keep a guy like Ward at number 2 despite the fact we all know he'd be KO'd be Golovkin or Kovalev now within a few rounds.

As for Floyd, nobody sober has ever called him TBE. He has a small group of blind followers and an even smaller propaganda group on the payroll that try to promote him as such, and then there is the vast majority who are well aware of his short comings and cowardliness and fully acknowledge that he refuses to fight the number 2 guy and so can never be considered the true lb for lb great. The problem would be clear cut of course except for the fact that Pac has some losses whereas Floyd is unbeaten (the "0" argument), and the fact Floyd beat MArquez in 1 fight and Pac, despite beating MArquez 3 times already, was viciously KO'd 1ce, thus, these 2 points paint the aura for Floyd to justify avoiding Pac, an opponent more than likely to wallop him.

Floyd is purely business, if he fights Pac, and loses.. The money is gone, his life as he knows it is finished. He will never let that happen.

Pac is a peoples champion and likeable hero. He is also an entertaining fighter.

Floyd has a boring, cowardly and weak style. He is a scum of a person too, meaning once his marketability dries up, he's done. The ONLY reason 90% of people go to see a Floyd fight, is to watch him lose.

Facts!

[Anderson Silva]

Could Floyd beat David Haye? Could Floyd beat ****ing Audley Harrison? NO. SO HE IS NOT P4P BEST IN THE WORLD. Its the heavyweights who are the real deals, and they could knock him out with 1 jab lol.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd beat shane when shane was ranked #1 everywhere except Ring. So why you make some good points overall about p4p, to say he specifically hasn't defeated the best in the division is not accurate.

[The Surgeon]

Could Floyd beat David Haye? Could Floyd beat ****ing Audley Harrison? NO. SO HE IS NOT P4P BEST IN THE WORLD. Its the heavyweights who are the real deals, and they could knock him out with 1 jab lol.

Dude that's head to head, the size discrepancy is the whole reason we have a p4p....

[Citizen Koba]

Agreed. P4P is always gonna be incredibly subjective as there's no reliable way of comparing the quality between the different divisions, and never any broadly agreed consensus on what it actually represents (ie P4P is generally understood to mean how good a fighter is H2H right now, but the balance of how much historical resume should be used to determine this of is, once again, completely subjective)

P4Ps good for a bit of fun and to stimulate discussion but is effectively meaningless. Whatever the arguments it's impossible to prove in any objective way how fighters from different weight divisions would stack up against each other.

The closest thing would have to be some kinda points based system (a la Boxrec), but good luck with devising one that anyone agrees with.

[HEND]

Listen carefully mate because this is key..

There never has and never can be concrete rules on what constitutes a lb for lb comparison. That's what makes it such a hot talking point.

However to say lb for lb discussions are now irrelevant is ridiculous. They are just as relevant as always (how could it be otherwise?)

The points you made really had nothing to do with how lb for lb. The ranking of Andre Ward is simply a mistake. What you are really whinging at here are the politics of the sport and the influence some men have in it to keep a guy like Ward at number 2 despite the fact we all know he'd be KO'd be Golovkin or Kovalev now within a few rounds.

As for Floyd, nobody sober has ever called him TBE. He has a small group of blind followers and an even smaller propaganda group on the payroll that try to promote him as such, and then there is the vast majority who are well aware of his short comings and cowardliness and fully acknowledge that he refuses to fight the number 2 guy and so can never be considered the true lb for lb great. The problem would be clear cut of course except for the fact that Pac has some losses whereas Floyd is unbeaten (the "0" argument), and the fact Floyd beat MArquez in 1 fight and Pac, despite beating MArquez 3 times already, was viciously KO'd 1ce, thus, these 2 points paint the aura for Floyd to justify avoiding Pac, an opponent more than likely to wallop him.

Floyd is purely business, if he fights Pac, and loses.. The money is gone, his life as he knows it is finished. He will never let that happen.

Pac is a peoples champion and likeable hero. He is also an entertaining fighter.

Floyd has a boring, cowardly and weak style. He is a scum of a person too, meaning once his marketability dries up, he's done. The ONLY reason 90% of people go to see a Floyd fight, is to watch him lose.

Facts!

You are one of the most pathetic posters on this board, you see the things white and black and if that's not enough you're proud of it and you regularly angle your opinions as facts and when someone responds with a normal arguement you duck the answer. Like when you just wrote and wrote your bullshit about how Ward is done but when I responded to you that even if he will come back just in 2016 (contract ends) he will still just 32 years old just like GGG now and he will easily have another 2-3 good years, you were silent as the church mouse. I guess you can't reply with normal arguemets you just like to comment you bullshits here.
And what many hater fail to realize is that not only Mayweather ducked Pacquiao but Pac ducked him too with reasons like needle phobia which is nothing but a straight up lie but somehow he gets pass for it from his rabid fanboys. So if Mayweather isn't P4P #1 because he hasn't faced Pac, then neither Pacquiao is P4P #1...
I understand that someone doesn't like Mayweather, I also don't like him, but stop lick Pac's ass like he would be a totally innocent saint and/or the fucking reincarnation of Jesus Christ... Things are mostly gray not black and white...