Bad Stoppage by Benjy Esteves

[Public_Enemy]

Yes, that's the actual rule. The issue is that he wasn't completely upright at the count of 10. Therefore, he did not beat the count.

Do the rules say he must be completely upright or just on his feet and off the canvas? I've never seen the rules state that the fighter must be completely upright.

[racer59]

my interpretation of the 10 count is 8,9,10. you're out.

if you are getting up at 9 you should be allowed to continue.
hell if you are getting up at 10, you should be allowed to continue.

if the ref just finished screaming the word 10 and you're not getting up and still on the canvas, then you're out. that's what i got from your rule. can you post a link of where you got that rule?

i mean you have to give the boxer the benefit of the doubt here. it wasnt like he was getting rocked left and right. you have to be ******* when it comes to interpreting the 10 count.

that was a bad stoppage through and through by esteves, who i never remember being involved in any bad ref jobs. the guy was clearly recovered and waiting to get up. he was already up at 10.

its at the refs discretion and if esteves used any common sense, he would have seen that it was a body shot, not some temple shot where its hard to recover from and its dangerous. proper discretion would have been to see if the fighter can continue.

For the record I agree that it was a bad stoppage. You interpretation is how I was initially interpreting the rule. But as I stated previously, I think that's not an accurate interpretation - example cited above.

I do think that there is or should be a grey area, especially since in this case, he was on his way up, steady, and you could clearly see that he had control if his faculties, he was ready to fight and should have been allowed to continue.

[racer59]

Do the rules say he must be completely upright or just on his feet and off the canvas? I've never seen the rules state that the fighter must be completely upright.

The last part of the rule

" If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

Not hard to misinterpret "come to the scratch"

Even though that's not common American verbiage, it means ready to go, not on your way up or knee off the canvas.

[Public_Enemy]

The last part of the rule

" If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man."

Not hard to misinterpret "come to the scratch"

Even though that's not common American verbiage, it means ready to go, not on your way up or knee off the canvas.

He clearly had his senses and was on his feet. He was ready to go.

[racer59]

He clearly had his senses and was on his feet. He was ready to go.

I just watched the tape again to be sure and he clearly comes to an upright position AT 10, meaning out, he just missed it.

Again that's if you follow the rule to the letter. I think he should have been allowed to continue.

[Mr.Fantastic]

that was a bs stoppage. esteves is usually pretty competent but last night was a bad stoppage. it wasnt like ortiz just got rocked and knocked down several times with mind numbing head shots.

he was put down on a single body shot. you have to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt there. it wasnt like he was convulsing in pain. he got up just in time. fighters worked hard to train and punish themselves physically and mentally, for the ref to not even give him a chance to see if he can continue is just disgraceful. it was a freaking body shot and he was up around 10.

this isnt the nba where you have to release the ball before the shotclock. the ref should have given ortiz the benefit of the doubt there. he was on his knee ready to get up. it wasnt like he was on the floor withering in pain at 8, then got up right away at 10.

bad bad stoppage by what i remember to be a good ref in esteves. it makes me wonder if foul play was involved. As if they wanted the knockout to make the win shine better or people had money on a ko.

I've been saying it all along, Esteves is a shit ref. Cotto huggers love him for some reason.

[Russian Crushin]

I just watched the tape again to be sure and he clearly comes to an upright position AT 10, meaning out, he just missed it.

Again that's if you follow the rule to the letter. I think he should have been allowed to continue.

Nowhere does it say he must be completely up right. Making up your own interpretations to rules that arent being used makes no sense

[LaSombra]

They love him because he is puerto rican. Benjy and his pedostache make me sick! **** him.

[Bardock]

They love him because he is puerto rican. Benjy and his pedostache make me sick! **** him.

hahhhahahahaaahaha

[racer59]

Nowhere does it say he must be completely up right. Making up your own interpretations to rules that arent being used makes no sense

Yes it does. It's called the Association of Boxing Commission Rules and Guidelines. It clearly states you must be upright.