Bad Stoppage by Benjy Esteves

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

that was a bs stoppage. esteves is usually pretty competent but last night was a bad stoppage. it wasnt like ortiz just got rocked and knocked down several times with mind numbing head shots.

he was put down on a single body shot. you have to give the fighter the benefit of the doubt there. it wasnt like he was convulsing in pain. he got up just in time. fighters worked hard to train and punish themselves physically and mentally, for the ref to not even give him a chance to see if he can continue is just disgraceful. it was a freaking body shot and he was up around 10.

this isnt the nba where you have to release the ball before the shotclock. the ref should have given ortiz the benefit of the doubt there. he was on his knee ready to get up. it wasnt like he was on the floor withering in pain at 8, then got up right away at 10.

bad bad stoppage by what i remember to be a good ref in esteves. it makes me wonder if foul play was involved. As if they wanted the knockout to make the win shine better or people had money on a ko.

[ArgentinaX]

It was bad. No doubt, but it's not like Ortiz protested heavily.

I look at it this way. It was clear in the short time we saw that Ortiz wasn't what his record suggested. He was getting pushed back and while nothing huge was landing, Matthysse was getting the better of the exchanges. He looked out of his element and with Matthysse gernerally getting stronger as the match goes on it was only a matter of time.

This was a good thing for Ortiz. He appears to be a C fighter, like Taylor was against Broner. Now Ortiz can use the early stoppage to fight another C fighter who is known, get back on Showtime and possibly win. Couldn't have worked out much better. Him getting brutally stopped would have put him back to Mexico.

[Jab-Slip-Troll]

Should have been up at 9.

I hope Ortiz learns his lesson. If u see most knockdowns nowadays the fighter is up at 7-9.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

trust me, if that was lucas matthysse who was on a knee and waiting to get up, the ref would have let the fight go on.

[Weebler I]

trust me, if that was lucas matthysse who was on a knee and waiting to get up, the ref would have let the fight go on.

Possibly not but Matthysse wouldn't have waited until 9, he was down three times in his last two fights.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Possibly not but Matthysse wouldn't have waited until 9, he was down three times in his last two fights.

if you get up at 10 you should be allowed to continue. this is boxing. not the nba or nfl where you have to do things before the shot clock expires. there should be some latitude given. the guy was clearly recovered and waiting to get up. it was a freaking body shot. not some head concussing knockdown.

bad stoppage is bad stoppage.

[Build That Wall]

A rematch is warranted.

[Beercules]

A rematch is warranted.

You still have faith in Ortiz? The guy who hired a therapist just to fight Lucas? why?

[Public_Enemy]

The thread starter is correct especially in pointing out that Ortiz wasn't hurt by a head shot but by a body shot. This means he was lucid and the referee should use better judgement when assessing if he can continue. It is not a get up by nine count. It is a ten count. There was no reason to stop that fight.

[Rudiamonds]

Man I was so pissed off I was expect more from him....he **** up but the ref wanted to go home early