The Muhammad Ali who beat Cleveland Williams...

[freethinker1]

THAT Ali was indisputably the greatest heavyweight who ever lived. (The Ali Mark II wasn't bad either (!) but at that moment Ali was on another planet to any boxer before or since in his weight class.

Perfection!

[Larry the boss]

Ali looked great that fight..BUT Cleveland Williams was far from a great fighter man

[Reloaded]

People need to remember that beating a B grade makes you look great and when your great anyway you will look invincible , there are 2 guys in a fight if one has it clearly over the other its going to be an impressive beat down but the fact is some guys are just a bag on the night for a whole range of reasons ranging from a bad camp , weight issues , a common cold or even just a flat night , so much of boxing is about being in your zone on the night , most of the great fighters get real close to peak each they time they step out , when a 10th of second in timing can be the difference between landing and missing its all very dynamic and often taken for granted .

[sugarsmosley]

Cleveland williams, thats the black guy from family guy right?

[LacedUp]

People need to remember that beating a B grade makes you look great and when your great anyway you will look invincible , there are 2 guys in a fight if one has it clearly over the other its going to be an impressive beat down but the fact is some guys are just a bag on the night for a whole range of reasons ranging from a bad camp , weight issues , a common cold or even just a flat night , so much of boxing is about being in your zone on the night , most of the great fighters get real close to peak each they time they step out , when a 10th of second in timing can be the difference between landing and missing its all very dynamic and often taken for granted .

Not really always true.

Take Wlad vs Chambers/Mormeck, Lewis vs Mavrovic, Tyson vs Bonecrusher/Pinklon Thomas and plenty more heavyweight examples.

Williams was a good fighter, but not great and had also had a lot of trouble in his life. Nevertheless, Ali did look absolutely unbeatable that fight.

[LacedUp]

Cleveland williams, thats the black guy from family guy right?

Lol that's Cleveland brown.

[gingerbreadman]

The Williams-vintage Ali against the Spinks-vintage Tyson is a classic matchup.

Ditto the Toney-vintage RJJ against the Sibson-vintage Hagler.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Too much running. Zzzzzzzzz!!!!

[Ray Corso]

Cleveland began in 1952 he fought Ali in 1966 not exactly the same era!!!!
He knew how to box and had good height and reach.
he lost to Satterfield and Liston and theres no shame in that, he was a fringe contender for many years.
Ali was in his 24th or 25th fight when Williams got his shot so it wasn't a straight up contest Cleveland had plenty of miles on him.

mr.fantastic.....Don't know what you mean by running...........Ali took it right to him obviously you never watched the fight!

Ray.

[Elroy1]

Well I don't think he looked that good really.

But let's assume some ppl really do think he looked great.

Williams was a **** fighter and a featherfist. He looked ****, he looked weak. On paper he fought **** and he had a KO% less than 50 against real hws.

And even worse, he'd just had his intestines removed because he was gunshot LOL.

There's an old saying... "It's easy to look like an eagle when you fly with turkeys" haha. Accurately sums up Ali's 1st career.

Joke thread.

Ali vs Williams was a bum fight. Nothing more. Fact!