Juan Manuel Marquez = Modern day Buster Douglas

[Beercules]

So it's not a good win because Marquez has proven his longevity? He was in his mid 30's movig up in weight and ko'd the champ of the division. The aftermath of the fight has no effect on whether it was a good win or not.

Ok it was a historic win. Why didn't Juan rematch Barrera? Some people think Barrera won that fight, Barrera thinks it was a knock down but it was ruled a slip.

[humanpunchingbg]

Pacquiao and JMM's whining made JMM. Had he not whined he wouldnt had gotten any rematch.

Wrong. The majority of fans believing Marquez won and Pacquiao's own self doubt is what set up the rematches.

[Caught Square]

You really need to understand German to see that Memo is injecting himself with a PED? you can hear the English at points during the video, he talks about EPO and HGH.

Not only that, they show him purchasing steroids at a pharmacy in Mexico City and making his special Memo injections.

Ok so do you think he was on the roids for his fight with Bradley?

[dan_cov]

Bringing Marquez down doesnt hurt Pacquiao as much as if you did it the other way.

Take Pacquiao out of Marquez's resume and what has he done? Now, take Marquez out of Pacquiao's resume and what has he done?

Think about that one for a second.

Pacquiao and JMM's whining made JMM. Had he not whined he wouldnt had gotten any rematch.

But why would you remove such a win/fights from a fighters resume?
Even still he'd still be a multiple time, multiple weight world champion with wins over Salido, Pedan, Cassamayor, Barrera, Katsidis.
Even taking his fights with Manny out, he's hardly got a resume to scoff at.

His whining never, the performances he put in made him.
Marquez is an incredible fighter and undeniable one of the best of this era and one of the best combination punchers ever to function in the sport.

Its almost like saying take Holyfield out of Bowes resume. Take Sugar Ray out of Turpins. You could do this to a lot of fighters. Would Sugar Ray be held in such high regard if you took his 11 (or whatever it was) fights with LaMotta out? Probably not. Take Donaire out of Rigondeaux's resume.

[Beercules]

Ok so do you think he was on the roids for his fight with Bradley?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Bob had to create this 'stringent' testing because Juan didn't want to use VADA even though Bradley insisted it was in the contract.

Bradley is on camera saying before the fight was even signed he wants VADA testing against JMM

[Resilient]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Bob had to create this 'stringent' testing because Juan didn't want to use VADA even though Bradley insisted it was in the contract.

Bradley is on camera saying before the fight was even signed he wants VADA testing against JMM

Funny seeing JMM getting angry at memo during 24/7

[Beercules]

Funny seeing JMM getting angry at memo during 24/7

Roid rage

[Caught Square]

Marquez may be overhyped legacy wise but he's definitely more accomplished than buster Douglas.

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I love how pac fans have their beliefs on discrediting Marquez greatness over pac
But for some reason they fail to realize or ignore that all those points can be used against pac!!

Oh what Marquez got bigger and stronger when he started working with strenght coach (known cheat) like the same thing didn't happen to pac when he got strength coach who freddie roach alleges was supplyin pac with illegal stuff!

U pacfans also love to ignore the fact that Marquez was willing to take any test as long pac did them as well but pac decided to not have random test even with memo a known cheat in Marquez corner for the 3rd &4th fight. Gee I wonder why??!!

I love how pacfans call Marquez a crybaby for not accepting the decisions in the first 3 fights. Like marquez has no merit in not accepting the decisionyet ignore the fact that the majority of the media have him winning the first 3 fights

What I love the most is how coming up on 2 years later pacfans are still butthurt. See the sig below to relive it!!

[Beercules]

I love how pac fans have their beliefs on discrediting Marquez greatness over pac
But for some reason they fail to realize or ignore that all those points can be used against pac!!

Oh what Marquez got bigger and stronger when he started working with strenght coach (known cheat) like the same thing didn't happen to pac when he got strength coach who freddie roach alleges was supplyin pac with illegal stuff!

U pacfans also love to ignore the fact that Marquez was willing to take any test as long pac did them as well but pac decided to not have random test even with memo a known cheat in Marquez corner for the 3rd &4th fight. Gee I wonder why??!!

I love how pacfans call Marquez a crybaby for not accepting the decisions in the first 3 fights. Like marquez has no merit in not accepting the decisionyet ignore the fact that the majority of the media have him winning the first 3 fights

What I love the most is how coming up on 2 years later pacfans are still butthurt. See the sig below to relive it!!

When I see Ariza injecting himself with steroids on camera then you can come talk to me.

Juan is most likely not clean. If Juan wants a 5th title so bad why didn't he chase Pacquiao? I mean why not just ktfo Pac again right? Bigger payday than anything for him out there and he has a shot at a title against a guy he's knocked out.