How many weight classes can GGG move up and be successful?

[JaguaresMx]

at 40 hopkins moved up 2 whole divisions man..2 whole divisions and dominated..floyd at 30 moved up to his 5th division and fought Oscar..at 30 Manny was still moving up...Ward is 30 and people say he should move up..so why the excuse of age here?

way to miss my point.... This is what I meant: We didn't see Rigo and GGG progress through weight classes because we didn't see their careers develop since their early 20s.

If we had seen Floyd only his late 20s, he would only be in his second division or so. It's an entirely different scenario. If had had a Rigo-type career, would you really expect Floyd to move up to 160-168 to jump to a hypothetical 5th?

Hopkins is a special case, no question. But that's unfair standard. No one fights at 40 successfully.

[JaguaresMx]

If we're talking about some 18 year old 122 pound prospect that would be different since often these teenage fighters continue to grow. With Golovkin he's fully grown, plus the gap between weight classes is much bigger so we already know the answers - he can go to 168 or 175 at best. Thats literally it. Obviously he can't be a cruiserweight or a heavyweight.

He'll refuse to get this point. It's quite simple, really.

[ИATAS]

at 40 hopkins moved up 2 whole divisions man..2 whole divisions and dominated..floyd at 30 moved up to his 5th division and fought Oscar..at 30 Manny was still moving up...Ward is 30 and people say he should move up..so why the excuse of age here?

Pacquiao turned pro at 15.
Mayweather 19 (20?).
As I mentioned Hopkins was on record saying making weight was becoming a problem before Taylor.

If Ward, Golovkin or anyone else feel comfortable at the division there in and want to stay there that's absolutely what they should do.

[Light_Speed]

He had to eat fast food and junk food to get to LHW for his first fight. His crappy first manager just got him a random fight at 175 and Hopkins ate a lot to be bigger. He's said that was the last time he's ever ate fast food '88).

I'm not sure I buy that story. Why the long layoff after that fight? Seems to me he decided to change his career plans and go down to 160 where he would be more successful, and needed a lot of time to trim down.

And ****m also said that B-Hop would have moved up to light heavy a lot earlier than he did, if he didn't "run like a goddamn horse". An entirely different situation compared to GGG.

[Larry the boss]

You obviously make threads for certain motives, but really I just think it's a silly topic. If we're talking about some 18 year old 122 pound prospect that would be different since often these teenage fighters continue to grow. With Golovkin he's fully grown, plus the gap between weight classes is much bigger so we already know the answers - he can go to 168 or 175 at best. Thats literally it. Obviously he can't be a cruiserweight or a heavyweight.

ok well that is your answer..168 or 175..who do you think he can beat there??

[Porter's Dad]

He'd be pretty small at LMW. But then he apparently did knock Kovalev down in sparring and was walking him down.

As much as there's merit in him totally cleaning up a division, I don't know how much longer I can enjoy him easily whooping ass at 160. I think it would be fascinating to see him at 168/175, just to see him in situations where he is outgunned, physically.

[Larry the boss]

why are people so damn defensive...answer the question..at this point in his career how much do you think he can move up and be effective..simple question..he himself said he would fight anyone up to 168..it is a simple question..why so many excuses for this man damn??

[-Kev-]

Yeah...about Golovkin being too short for 168-175 (5' 10" 1/2):

Current fighters under 6' who are in the Top 10 at 168-175:
Abraham (5' 10") WBO 168
Bika (5' 10") WBC 168
Pascal (5' 10" 1/2) Former WBC/Ring 175
Cloud (5' 10") Former IBF champion
Love (5' 10")
Stieglitz (5' 11") Former WBO 168
Stevenson (5' 11") WBC/Ring 175
Braehmer (5' 11" 1/2) WBA 175
Groves (5' 11" 1/2)

Let's see, Gennady is listed at 5'10 1/2

Dwight Qawi - Stood 5'5 and went all the way up Heavyweight from Light Heavyweight.

Sam Langford - Stood 5-6 1/2 and went all the way up to what now is cruiserweight; maybe slightly above. Started at Lightweight

Roy Jones Jr - Listed at 5'11.. Started at 154 and went all the way up to heavyweight.

Roberto Duran - Started as a lightweight and went all the way to 168; only listed at 5'7

If GGG is as great as some of you say he is, I expect no less than cruiserweight; possibly heavyweight if he goes up against a regular sized heavyweight (i.e. Pulev, Jonathan Banks) someone like that.

That's the problem, they don't really think he's "great", they just like his style. They find him exciting, not great. However, NSB's verdict on GGG vs Froch, Kessler and Bika is that he wins. Even though they don't say he's great, they definitely feel he would do great things at 168, but say he's too small in another conversation. I don't get it.

Example, I think Mayweather is too small for MW and would lose to Golovkin. But I think he's great, just too small for MW. GGG fans think he's great, would beat the best SMW's, but say he's too small for SMW. There's a problem with that.

[Larry the boss]

Yeah...about Golovkin being too short for 168-175 (5' 10" 1/2):

Current fighters under 6' who are in the Top 10 at 168-175:
Abraham (5' 10") WBO 168
Bika (5' 10") WBC 168
Pascal (5' 10" 1/2) Former WBC/Ring 175
Cloud (5' 10") Former IBF champion
Love (5' 10")
Stieglitz (5' 11") Former WBO 168
Stevenson (5' 11") WBC/Ring 175
Braehmer (5' 11" 1/2) WBA 175
Groves (5' 11" 1/2)








That's the problem, they don't really think he's "great", they just like his style. They find him exciting, not great. However, NSB's verdict on GGG vs Froch, Kessler and Bika is that he wins. Even though they don't say he's great, they definitely feel he would do great things at 168, but say he's too small in another conversation. I don't get it.

Example, I think Mayweather is too small for MW and would lose to Golovkin. But I think he's great, just too small for MW. GGG fans think he's great, would beat the best SMW's, but say he's too small for SMW. There's a problem with that.

i do not get why they say he ko's and beats all these fighters but get defensive when people ask what would happen if he moves up..all you get is excuses

[ИATAS]

I'm not sure I buy that story. Why the long layoff after that fight? Seems to me he decided to change his career plans and go down to 160 where he would be more successful, and needed a lot of time to trim down.

Well that's what happened. He took two years off for numerous reasons. After he lost he questioned if boxing was for him. He needed to work and had to get a full time job. Eventually he decided to continue boxing, got a new trainer, worker on his craft and fought again. He continued to have a full time job all the way until after he fought Roy Jones. A lot of people don't know that. He was basically a part time fighter.

And ****m also said that B-Hop would have moved up to light heavy a lot earlier than he did, if he didn't "run like a goddamn horse". An entirely different situation compared to GGG.

I agree they are totally different. Hopkins body is better suited than GGG for LHW. I just wanted to point out that Hopkins didn't want his first fight at 175.