Guillermo Rigondeaux deserves to be higher than Andre Ward P4P

[Doctor_Tenma]

Ward is the better fighter with the much better resume too. With Ward's troubles Rigondeaux can easily get there now.

[wiz1030]

Don't have a problem with anyone ranking him #2 (or possibly #1 for that matter). No need to disparage Ward in the OP though. To say he isn't skilled is absurd. With his inactivity he deserves to fall down the list or even off, while still being acknowledged as elite

[johnm is...]

I think if you go more than 1 year with a scheduled fight than its fair to take off list.

I agree with that.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yeah, that post is ridiculous. Donaire is a better fighter and a clearly better win that beating Froch was. Let alone anyone else Ward has fought.

It may be Rigo's only big win, but it's better than anything Ward has done and it was last year. Ward doesn't have a good win in 3 years. When are people going to stop pretending that so much time has passed since the Froch win?

Drained to nothing Dawson and Edwin Rodriguez are not p4p #2 worthy.

Donaire isn't a better fighter than Froch, maybe at some point he was but he became too one dimensional when confronted with movement, there was nothing methodical about his approach against Mathebula, Narvaez and Rigondeaux. I was inaccurate in thinking he could take advantage of Rigondeaux's pawing or measuring I should say, since he does have a signature left hook but once that didn't happen he, like against Mathebula, Narvaez showed nothing.

[M Bison]

P4p rankings have more to do with who you have beaten than actual skill.

I sort of do agree, you have to have a good resume to prove you're the goods and so far Rigo has only done it against one good opponent...
That's the hard cold facts, Mayweather, Ward, Wladimir, Bradley, Pacquiao and many others belong in the P4P rankings for the fact they've faced a consistency of the best possible opponents available this is why they're rated so highly.

[-PBP-]

Donaire isn't a better fighter than Froch, maybe at some point he was but he became too one dimensional when confronted with movement, there was nothing methodical about his approach against Mathebula, Narvaez and Rigondeaux. I was inaccurate in thinking he could take advantage of Rigondeaux's pawing or measuring I should say, since he does have a signature left hook but once that didn't happen he, like against Mathebula, Narvaez showed nothing.

When you take into account Donaires's physical advantages I take him over Froch. He was just that gifted to where he could walk through world class fighters despite being so one dimensional. When he finally fought a guy that can exploit him it came back to haunt him.

But how many fighters 126 and below can do that to him?

[DreamMerchant12]

He knocked off a p4p guy at Radio City Music Hall in his what, 12th fight?

Rigos defense> Floyd's defense.

Floyd just gets beat up by C level fighters along the ropes

No... just no. Rigo is the truth, but c'mon son.

[bojangles1987]

Donaire isn't a better fighter than Froch, maybe at some point he was but he became too one dimensional when confronted with movement, there was nothing methodical about his approach against Mathebula, Narvaez and Rigondeaux. I was inaccurate in thinking he could take advantage of Rigondeaux's pawing or measuring I should say, since he does have a signature left hook but once that didn't happen he, like against Mathebula, Narvaez showed nothing.

Donaire may not be better now, but he was then. He still might be now, we'll see going forward.

He was still a sharp, fast, accurate counter puncher with some of the best power in the sport p4p. What happened against Rigondeaux was him losing to someone that much better at his own game. And it seems to have affected him very negatively going forward.

Froch is my favorite fighter, and a terrific overachiever. But he isn't the fighter Donaire was.

[Doctor_Tenma]

When you take into account Donaires's physical advantages I take him over Froch. He was just that gifted to where he could walk through world class fighters despite being so one dimensional. When he finally fought a guy that can exploit him it came back to haunt him.

But how many fighters 126 and below can do that to him?

That's more reason to acknowledge why I can't take Donaire over Froch, Froch doesn't have those physical gifts yet he isn't forced to look for the same punch for the entire fight. Froch has shown more versatility, jabs, feints, even unorthodox moves where he misses the straight right whilst lunging, and comes back with a short chopping left hook out of the southpaw stance. That not only shows skills but creativity, although he doesn't fight on the inside well he can still let off combinations to the body as well. I can't even say that about Donaire.

I knew his limitations going into the Rigondeaux fight but I was wrong in my estimation, I thought he would take advantage of Rigondeaux constantly measuring with the jab, thought he could have found a home for the left hook there but that also showed how one dimensional he is with that punch as well.

Donaire ain't better than Froch though. Maybe once upon a time in terms of skills but he hasn't shown that in quite some time.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Donaire may not be better now, but he was then. He still might be now, we'll see going forward.

He was still a sharp, fast, accurate counter puncher with some of the best power in the sport p4p. What happened against Rigondeaux was him losing to someone that much better at his own game. And it seems to have affected him very negatively going forward.

Froch is my favorite fighter, and a terrific overachiever. But he isn't the fighter Donaire was.

I don't think it's debatable now, once upon a time of course but I haven't liked what I've seen from Donaire in quite some time. In the bold, I was under that impression as well but Darchinyan put on a damn good performance in the rematch too.