What does your top 10 HW all time look like?

[LacedUp]

Really?

Sugar Ray Robinson aside based on sheer accomplishments who has at this moment?

There's plenty. Monzon, Greb, Steele, Hagler, Robinson & Burley I would put above Hopkins without blinking.

Then we can start talking about Walker, Fitzsimmons, Tiger, Ketchel etc.

Hopkins MW resume, whilst big in numbers, is really not that impressive at all. His overall career achievements i.e. being a middleweight champion, being lightheavyweight champion, being the oldest champion ever - that makes Bernard Hopkins great in my opinion.

The names on his MW resume is average at best. Tito was a great win, which other great win at middleweight does he really have?

[jri9d0]

There's plenty. Monzon, Greb, Steele, Hagler, Robinson & Burley I would put above Hopkins without blinking.

Then we can start talking about Walker, Fitzsimmons, Tiger, Ketchel etc.

Hopkins MW resume, whilst big in numbers, is really not that impressive at all. His overall career achievements i.e. being a middleweight champion, being lightheavyweight champion, being the oldest champion ever - that's makes Bernard Hopkins great in my opinion.

The names on his MW resume is average at best. Tito was a great win, which other great win at middleweight does he really have?

I don't disagree with your list at all but many of those aforementioned fighter's won these titles at middleweight lost there titles, lost and re-won within short periods of time.

Hopkins on the other hand with few exceptions (Jermaine Taylor) ruled the division for an extended period of time becoming Undisputed unifying the whole weight class.

[LacedUp]

I don't disagree with your list at all but many of those aforementioned fighter's won these titles at middleweight lost there titles, lost an re-won within short time frames.

Hopkins on the other hand with few exceptions (Jermaine Taylor) ruled the division for an extended period of time becoming Undisputed unifying the whole weight class.

Not really, but some did - as with everyone else. Ali also lost and won his title 3 times, because he faced good fighters. No one in their right mind would deny his greatness, because it's not about staying undefeated - many talented fighters can stay undefeated against lower level opposition. It takes a true champion to take a loss, rematch him and win your belt back, proving the other guy was just a fluke.

I could put a question to you and say if Roy Jones jr, James Toney, McClellan, Jackson, Nunn, Kalambay, McCallum, Eubank, Benn, Collins, Watson (i.e. all the great/good MWs Hopkins was lucky not to face) etc all had still been at MW, what do you think the chances of Hopkins were coming out on top? To me it's next to nothing.

So he's fighting guys where Joppy is one of his better wins, and what we were used to was much much worse than that. Honestly, his best 5 wins at middleweight are not impressing me at all - and certainly not to the extent where I'd say he was in contention for the best ever at MW. That's an absurd statement to me.

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[521CEO]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Joe Frazier
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson

[Luilun]

One of my friends was talking about who he thinks is the top 10 HW all time and his list was so ridiculous that I couldn't take it serious. He's a casual boxing fan tho so I understand why he's so all over the place but it made me wonder what most of your top 10 HW All time would be. Mine is as follows:

From his top 100 list he has the Heavyweights in this order.

1- Muhammad Ali
2- Joe Louis
3- Jack Johnson
4- Jack Dempsey
5- Rocky Marciano
6- Ezzard Charles
7- Larry Holmes
8- Lennox Lewis
9- George Foreman
10- Joe Frazier

The Klitschko brothers have taken over the number 1 and 2 spot just to let you know

[LacedUp]

The Klitschko brothers have taken over the number 1 and 2 spot just to let you know

[Elroy1]

Top ten achievement based HW rankings all time...

1. W Klitschko
2. L. Lewis
3. V. Klitschko
4. L. Holmes
5. M. Ali
6. M. Tyson
7. E. Holyfield
8. J. Louis
9. N. Valuev
10. C. Byrd

Just missed out.. 11. George Foreman.

Top 6 H2H based HW rankings all time.

Tier 1 (1,2,3)

L. Lewis
W. Klitschko
V. Klitschko

Tier 2 (4,5,6)

R. Bowe
E. Holyfield
M. Tyson

Tier 3

Many opponents on equal footing.

[LacedUp]

Top ten achievement based HW rankings all time...

1. W Klitschko
2. L. Lewis
3. V. Klitschko
4. L. Holmes
5. M. Ali
6. M. Tyson
7. E. Holyfield
8. J. Louis
9. N. Valuev
10. C. Byrd

Just missed out.. 11. George Foreman.

Top 6 H2H based HW rankings all time.

Tier 1 (1,2,3)

L. Lewis
W. Klitschko
V. Klitschko

Tier 2 (4,5,6)

R. Bowe
E. Holyfield
M. Tyson

Tier 3

Many opponents on equal footing.

Out of interest, you rank Wladimir #1, but Lennox #1 H2H?

How does Wlad's achievements supersede Lennox's?

[Luilun]

Out of interest, you rank Wladimir #1, but Lennox #1 H2H?

How does Wlad's achievements supersede Lennox's?

When you lose to Raghman and Mccall you take the back seat