Comments Thread For: Chavez Jr. Hopes Issues Can Solved For Froch Fight

[Fetta]

That only works for the very elite few (literally like 5 guys). Everyone else needs a promoter who INVESTS in them. Gary Russell vs TBA 22 fights in a row was because he had no promoter. No promoter investing in him there is no incentive for promoters to risk their guys against him cus they get nothing out of it.

Signing a one fight extension is nothing. Arum from a business stand point just wants to keep a star name. Obviously any promoter is going to want to keep a big name. This was part of the reason Oscar fired Richard - it's not smart business to not have contracts.

I agree thats why i said big marquee fighters.

As for chavez, like i said in another thread, he for some reason doesnt want to re-sign. Money is good but he doesnt want it. Arum should stop trying to force an extension on him and get him a fight. Yes hell pay alot but if the fight is big (froch or GGG) then hell still make a decent amount of money from it. Chavez is not staying

[Accountoffline]

This is Bull***** Chaves doesn't want the fight, funny because I know he isn't scared, he just doesn't love the sport no more.

[Bronx2245]

That only works for the very elite few (literally like 5 guys). Everyone else needs a promoter who INVESTS in them. Gary Russell vs TBA 22 fights in a row was because he had no promoter. No promoter investing in him there is no incentive for promoters to risk their guys against him cus they get nothing out of it.

Signing a one fight extension is nothing. Arum from a business stand point just wants to keep a star name. Obviously any promoter is going to want to keep a big name. This was part of the reason Oscar fired Richard - it's not smart business to not have contracts.

"Obviously any promoter is going to want to keep a big name. This was part of the reason Oscar fired Richard - it's not smart business to not have contracts."

Yet still, GBP/Showtime did outstanding last year, even without having extended contracts for the majority of their fighters. I think if you're good at what you do, business will do good. I remember how shocked I was to learn the Jackson 5 Reunion Tour was promoted by Don King. They went to King, and not vice versa, and were very happy. Now if King had a long-term contract with the Jackson 5, he would've robbed them just like he did so many others. But for one event at a time, he wasn't the snake he usually is, and he still made good money too. Greed is the root of the problem.

[The Big Dunn]

That only works for the very elite few (literally like 5 guys). Everyone else needs a promoter who INVESTS in them. Gary Russell vs TBA 22 fights in a row was because he had no promoter. No promoter investing in him there is no incentive for promoters to risk their guys against him cus they get nothing out of it.

Signing a one fight extension is nothing. Arum from a business stand point just wants to keep a star name. Obviously any promoter is going to want to keep a big name. This was part of the reason Oscar fired Richard - it's not smart business to not have contracts.

If ESPN goes all in then you effectively eliminate the need for a promoter. All you really need is a manager/lawyer to help you with whatever deals you make.

If you are a fighter signed to NBC/HBO/ESPN/SHO-I don't see the need for an Arum or GBP.

[Larry the boss]

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[ИATAS]

"Obviously any promoter is going to want to keep a big name. This was part of the reason Oscar fired Richard - it's not smart business to not have contracts."

Yet still, GBP/Showtime did outstanding last year, even without having extended contracts for the majority of their fighters. I think if you're good at what you do, business will do good. I remember how shocked I was to learn the Jackson 5 Reunion Tour was promoted by Don King. They went to King, and not vice versa, and were very happy. Now if King had a long-term contract with the Jackson 5, he would've robbed them just like he did so many others. But for one event at a time, he wasn't the snake he usually is, and he still made good money too. Greed is the root of the problem.

The industry rumblings of all those fighters eventually moving to TMT.

You have to realize most of there guys they aren't making money off of. They are investments. They make money off the big names, but guys like Quillin, etc they are investing, promoting and trying to build up so that eventually they do make a profit. Without a contract you're essentially allowing yourself to lose money on guys you spent years developimg. So again, it's not smart business.

[Bronx2245]

The industry rumblings of all those fighters eventually moving to TMT.

You have to realize most of there guys they aren't making money off of. They are investments. They make money off the big names, but guys like Quillin, etc they are investing, promoting and trying to build up so that eventually they do make a profit. Without a contract you're essentially allowing yourself to lose money on guys you spent years developimg. So again, it's not smart business.

It might not be smart for the Arums and Oscars, but it's smart for the fighters to NOT have long term contracts with promoters. Fighters need to start thinking more like LeBron and less like Joe Louis.

[whoseyourdaddy]

Chavez Jr becomes more of a joke everytime he opens his mouth. He says that he wants to fight and that he will fight anyone but that he doesn't want to extend his contract, TopRank says "Ok but you must take less money for your final fight" then Chavez turns around and says the money is not right. There are no real issues, the only problem is that Jr is an airhead.

I hope the fight does end up getting made and that Froch wins by KO.

Chavez said in ESPN golpe a golpe that Arum wants to pay him close to the same amount of money as the Vera fight, so why in the hell would he give in to this old fart demands? when he know he is worth a lot more specially with GGG & Froch in it. Does that make any sense to you?

[ИATAS]

It might not be smart for the Arums and Oscars, but it's smart for the fighters to NOT have long term contracts with promoters. Fighters need to start thinking more like LeBron and less like Joe Louis.

Depends on the fighter. Bradley signed a multi fight deal because he wanted that security. For some guys, especially if they aren't super marketable, knowing they will guaranteed make X amount of dollars for X amount of time is important to them. In this case we aren't talking long term - Arum is asking for a one fight extension. That's it.

[big_james10]

This is precisely why Mayweather Jr. left Arum -- because Arum was trying to screw him the same way he is trying to screw Chavez. If the fight is worth $7 million, it is worth $7 million, whether he signs an extension or not. Arum is basically a dictator who is using dictator-like tactics to control the fighters in his stable. I am glad that Chavez Jr. is resisting because he is the one who brings in the big bucks, not Arum.