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well, i'm off the floor from laughing now elroy.....
let me put you to the test point by point (in blue font).....
"Ill regard everything written by the ******s above you since they bring nothing fresh, just blind dismissal or, agenda driven or delusional garbage. (You a ******? I am sure I'm not)
For you however, YES of course, if he were not protecting his precious "0" anymore, of course he'd fight more and seek to prove himself more, he would have had too. And I would have LOVED to see him lose as I still do, I am disgusted by Mayweather personally almost as much as by Akli, they were 2 of the most disgraceful guys in the sport! (Very touching but irrelevant)
Fact is it's a business and being the unbeaten bad guy gives him his marketability. Pac on the other hand has loss several times but his personality, and his crushing style earned him the love and respect of fans. Floyd on the other hand would be damaged greatly by losing the 0 because he is mostly hated. (Again, very irrelevant)
But I can also see it that there has always been great pressure for Floyd to remain unbeaten. And it cannot be said that Floyd ducked the best fighters, he did fight MOST of them except for Pac), Ali never rematched Foreman and fixed atleast the 2nd Liston fight if not more. (You love to put in unsubstantiated accusations on fixing games; any factual proof? Ali beat George very convincingly; so he felt no need for a rematch. Floyd rematched castillo and will rematch maidana for floyd felt he needed to assert himself over these two as their first fights were very close; most felt he lost to castillo in the first).
It's not Ali's fault that he didn't fight many decent opponents but truth be told it was a very weak era over all and there wasn't really much talent around. (Now, here is where you went astray. Did ali fought the best? that's the thread...nothing about "decent opponents" whatever that means..)
Credit for Ali that he was more courageous than Floyd seemingly but then again Ali's entire career was based on struggling to beat his opponents. Floyd's is based on dominance. Ali was a messy fighter who was lucky at times and gifted often. Floyd for the most part shut down and outclassed some of the most skilful and elite athletes ever to lace up a pair of gloves with the added pressure to remain unbeaten. That's nothing to be taken lightly my friend. Even I would admit that." (Again, this borders to an irrelevant piece of opinion; yes, you're entitled to it.......but the point is by your own words floyd DID NOT fight the best...just MOST...and again, for me ali fought the best while floyd just fought "decent" ones he he he again whatever that means)Comment
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Point blank. Period.
I've posted the following several times but just to reiterate the point, in 2006 when Floyd was getting ready to fight a Judah coming off of the loss to Baldomir, he was interviewed by Brian Kenny on ESPN:
At 1:20, he criticized Mayweather for choosing to fight Zab Judah instead of going after Baldomir (who became ring champion by beating Zab). His argument against fighting Judah was that Judah had lost against Baldomir, so the luster of the fight had diminished.
At 5:55, Brian asks Floyd if he'd go after Ricky Hatton. Floyd brushes him off by saying he can go after him next [after taking out Judah].
In essence, not only did Floyd take out two names that Brian threw at him, but along the way he took out Zab Judah and Oscar de la Hoya along the way as bonuses...while becoming a major money maker and becoming the biggest boxing star.
Years later, when Floyd came out of retirement in 2009 to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, he was on ESPN again being interviewed by Brian Kenny. It didn't take long before Brian started criticizing Floyd's comeback opponent. Things got heated, and as both are shouting, Brian suggests Shane Mosley (who mere months before had demolished Antonio Margarito in brutal fashion). Here it is at 8:25...
After the Marquez fight, we all know what happened. Mosley called Floyd out, Floyd followed up by making the fight, and after it was over, a lot of people flip-flopped and said Mosley was over-the-hill.
People just need someone to hate and Floyd is a big target. You can truly tell how ignorant a lot of people are in general when you genuinely follow, read, and learn about a subject and then listen to what someone who just is a casual participant says. Look at youtube comments, there's so much garbage spewed everywhere; such one-sided information.
Bottom line: It doesn't matter who Floyd fights, the better he looks, the more people will nitpick. The more dominant he is, ironically enough, the less credit he gets. The grand majority of casual viewers believe it has to do with something being wrong in the opposite fighter than Floyd being that good. People criticize him easily. Why? Because he is held to a higher standard. Why is he held to a higher standard? Because he is THAT good.
If you take Michael Katsidis, Joshua Clottey, Juan Díaz, Paulie Malignaggi or any other (B-) to (A) level fighter and put him through Floyd's last 10 opponents, I guarantee you the criticism would not be as rampant. The casual observer that only catches 2-3 fights per year watches these 24/7's/All Access shows and truly believe that they see Apollo Creed and that he must be brought down.
The quote that best comes to mind to sum up this general perception is Dave Chapelle's: "If you got hate in your heart, let it out!"
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Floyd ducked Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Martinez for a fight with the Big Show. "It's the BIG SLOW!"
But even if casual boxing fans don't realize that.. They do realize that Floyd has ducked Pacquiao for years now.
He will never be the GOAT, but I don't think Ali is either.
Too bad these are the only 2 names that people know about as being considered "TBE"Comment
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Hey man, if ya self proclaim ya self the best eva, if ya can't stand the heat, get out the kitchenPoint blank. Period.
I've posted the following several times but just to reiterate the point, in 2006 when Floyd was getting ready to fight a Judah coming off of the loss to Baldomir, he was interviewed by Brian Kenny on ESPN:
At 1:20, he criticized Mayweather for choosing to fight Zab Judah instead of going after Baldomir (who became ring champion by beating Zab). His argument against fighting Judah was that Judah had lost against Baldomir, so the luster of the fight had diminished.
At 5:55, Brian asks Floyd if he'd go after Ricky Hatton. Floyd brushes him off by saying he can go after him next [after taking out Judah].
In essence, not only did Floyd take out two names that Brian threw at him, but along the way he took out Zab Judah and Oscar de la Hoya along the way as bonuses...while becoming a major money maker and becoming the biggest boxing star.
Years later, when Floyd came out of retirement in 2009 to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, he was on ESPN again being interviewed by Brian Kenny. It didn't take long before Brian started criticizing Floyd's comeback opponent. Things got heated, and as both are shouting, Brian suggests Shane Mosley (who mere months before had demolished Antonio Margarito in brutal fashion). Here it is at 8:25...
After the Marquez fight, we all know what happened. Mosley called Floyd out, Floyd followed up by making the fight, and after it was over, a lot of people flip-flopped and said Mosley was over-the-hill.
People just need someone to hate and Floyd is a big target. You can truly tell how ignorant a lot of people are in general when you genuinely follow, read, and learn about a subject and then listen to what someone who just is a casual participant says. Look at youtube comments, there's so much garbage spewed everywhere; such one-sided information.
Bottom line: It doesn't matter who Floyd fights, the better he looks, the more people will nitpick. The more dominant he is, ironically enough, the less credit he gets. The grand majority of casual viewers believe it has to do with something being wrong in the opposite fighter than Floyd being that good. People criticize him easily. Why? Because he is held to a higher standard. Why is he held to a higher standard? Because he is THAT good.
If you take Michael Katsidis, Joshua Clottey, Juan Díaz, Paulie Malignaggi or any other (B-) to (A) level fighter and put him through Floyd's last 10 opponents, I guarantee you the criticism would not be as rampant. The casual observer that only catches 2-3 fights per year watches these 24/7's/All Access shows and truly believe that they see Apollo Creed and that he must be brought down.
The quote that best comes to mind to sum up this general perception is Dave Chapelle's: "If you got hate in your heart, let it out!"Comment
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In the judah/baldimir days, the call was for margarito...that didn't happen but its all good...Point blank. Period.
I've posted the following several times but just to reiterate the point, in 2006 when Floyd was getting ready to fight a Judah coming off of the loss to Baldomir, he was interviewed by Brian Kenny on ESPN:
At 1:20, he criticized Mayweather for choosing to fight Zab Judah instead of going after Baldomir (who became ring champion by beating Zab). His argument against fighting Judah was that Judah had lost against Baldomir, so the luster of the fight had diminished.
At 5:55, Brian asks Floyd if he'd go after Ricky Hatton. Floyd brushes him off by saying he can go after him next [after taking out Judah].
In essence, not only did Floyd take out two names that Brian threw at him, but along the way he took out Zab Judah and Oscar de la Hoya along the way as bonuses...while becoming a major money maker and becoming the biggest boxing star.
Years later, when Floyd came out of retirement in 2009 to fight Juan Manuel Marquez, he was on ESPN again being interviewed by Brian Kenny. It didn't take long before Brian started criticizing Floyd's comeback opponent. Things got heated, and as both are shouting, Brian suggests Shane Mosley (who mere months before had demolished Antonio Margarito in brutal fashion). Here it is at 8:25...
After the Marquez fight, we all know what happened. Mosley called Floyd out, Floyd followed up by making the fight, and after it was over, a lot of people flip-flopped and said Mosley was over-the-hill.
People just need someone to hate and Floyd is a big target. You can truly tell how ignorant a lot of people are in general when you genuinely follow, read, and learn about a subject and then listen to what someone who just is a casual participant says. Look at youtube comments, there's so much garbage spewed everywhere; such one-sided information.
Bottom line: It doesn't matter who Floyd fights, the better he looks, the more people will nitpick. The more dominant he is, ironically enough, the less credit he gets. The grand majority of casual viewers believe it has to do with something being wrong in the opposite fighter than Floyd being that good. People criticize him easily. Why? Because he is held to a higher standard. Why is he held to a higher standard? Because he is THAT good.
If you take Michael Katsidis, Joshua Clottey, Juan Díaz, Paulie Malignaggi or any other (B-) to (A) level fighter and put him through Floyd's last 10 opponents, I guarantee you the criticism would not be as rampant. The casual observer that only catches 2-3 fights per year watches these 24/7's/All Access shows and truly believe that they see Apollo Creed and that he must be brought down.
The quote that best comes to mind to sum up this general perception is Dave Chapelle's: "If you got hate in your heart, let it out!"
After hatton there was the 2 year layoff, where you had cotto, williams, pac, and a fresher Shane...instead we got a weight cheated marquez, and a ton of excuses to not get a prime pac fight..that wasn't all good...Last edited by djtmal; 08-09-2014, 09:08 PM.Comment
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There will always be someone for Floyd to face.
Remember when he retired and people were saying, "Marquez?! Of course he's taking on Marquez, he'd never fight a real welterweight like Shane Mosley. Hell, he'd never fight Cotto!"
He took care of both of those by beating them in UD. Now that they're both out of the way, the two excuses will be:
1-) Past their prime
2-) They were never on Mayweather's level anyway
I am almost sure that if the Pacquiao/Mayweather fight were to be pulled off, the next person non-sense boxing fans would be calling for Floyd to fight would be Gennady Golovkin...which at 160 would be asinine.
And yes, I'm well aware that Leonard came out of a four year retirement to face THE guy at 160...but that doesn't necessarily mean that every single fighter is going to do that...nor does it automatically mean that Floyd is a poor fighter.Comment
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