Loeffler retweeting Kessler-GGG tweets

[Fetta]

I don't like to give anyone red K, but that post definitely deserves it.

Boxing is subjective.

Red or green I don't flip flop on what I think. And I don't think he's that good.

And I apologized for the harsh "garbage" comment. I'm trying to not call boxers " bum" "coward" or in this case " garbage" just to name a few

[-Kev-]

Kessler is not that good? He's Andre Ward's best win. He beat Froch, a Ward opponent, and IMO in the rematch with Froch it was a Draw. He also beat Allan Green, another Ward opponent. So Kessler has 2 of Ward's other 4 best 168 wins. He's only missing Bika and Abraham, and i'm sure Kessler takes Abraham even now. Bika is a tough fight for any one so IDK about that one.

I really think GGG needs to fight some elite fighter before he gets elite hype, but I WANT to see him fight good fighters. It seems as if some of you want to discredit him before stepping in the ring. To date his resume has been a joke, and his wins were predictable, but fighting Kessler is no joke. If Golovkin brings skills to the table, Kessler has seen that in Calzaghe and Ward, if Golovkin brings power to the table, Kessler has felt that with 24 rounds against Froch. I am sorry but if you go through 24 rounds against Froch and the worst thing that happened to you was that you got "wobbled" momentarily, you have a very strong chin and Golovkin would be in big trouble with the 8lb jump fighting some one with the power, chin and accuracy of Kessler.

[-Kev-]

Thing for me is that Kessler has never been stopped. I don't think he's even been hurt to the point where he looked ready to go. He's 6'1 and strong at SMW, I would be very impressed if Golovkin stopped him.

When fans think about Kessler, they think of him vs Calzaghe, Ward, Froch, Green. They see the vulnerabilities he showed in those fights vs those guys that were his size and his height or taller. Then they picture they way Golovkin, a smaller, shorter fighter like Abraham basically, has been looking at 160 against basically fighters who are slightly below Allan Green level, and that's what they have in their head, I don't think they understand the difference between a Joe Calzaghe, Andre Ward, or Carl Froch and a Daniel Geale, Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens. Kessler showed vulnerabilities against elite fighters. But what they don't see is that he also beat the type of opposition GGG is fighting now with Andrade, Mundine, Lucas, Magee, Sartison - Those are the type of guys Golovkin has been destroying. Kessler has been there and done that.

[Weebler I]

He was ready to go vs Allan Green. Pretty hurt vs Sartison also

I watched that fight earlier, I didn't think he was ready to go still had all his faculties showed decent footwork when he got up from the k/d (and he got straight up). Never watched the Sartison bout so I can't comment on that.

As I said, if Golovkin puts him away I'll be impressed but Kessler is a bigger guy with excellent punch resistance, good footwork and power. I like him to win at 168lbs.

[E. O. Wilson]

I was going to say Golovkin needs to fight a top American fighter (Stevens and Rosado don't really cut it). Until then no matter how good his opposition are, a lot of western fans will just see him as some periphery champion like Sturm.

but then I went down the list and damn... Middle/Supermiddle is like the Heavyweights now. There's ward (semi-retired) and Quillin (not that good). Everyone else is from Europe, Latin America, a couple Aussies.

I'd gun for Quillin but probably won't happen so I guess it's time to get out the knee brace and crutches and trick Cotto into fighting him. He's the only guy with enough western exposure.

[kiaba360]

Not a bad match-up. If he doesn't do well, he can just move back down. If he does well, he can move on to a titlist or another contender. No catchweight bull****, so there's no excuses.

[Weebler I]

I was going to say Golovkin needs to fight a top American fighter (Stevens and Rosado don't really cut it). Until then no matter how good his opposition are, a lot of western fans will just see him as some periphery champion like Sturm.

but then I went down the list and damn... Middle/Supermiddle is like the Heavyweights now. There's ward (semi-retired) and Quillin (not that good). Everyone else is from Europe, Latin America, a couple Aussies.

I'd gun for Quillin but probably won't happen so I guess it's time to get out the knee brace and crutches and trick Cotto into fighting him. He's the only guy with enough western exposure.

Does it matter how casuals see him? Speaking a boxing fan, all I'm concerned with is Golovkin fighting the best available no matter where they come from 4-5 times per year.

Sturm ironically beat the biggest "Western" name of them all in De La Hoya on his own turf, a fat lot of good it did him.

[King_]

I was going to say Golovkin needs to fight a top American fighter (Stevens and Rosado don't really cut it). Until then no matter how good his opposition are, a lot of western fans will just see him as some periphery champion like Sturm.

but then I went down the list and damn... Middle/Supermiddle is like the Heavyweights now. There's ward (semi-retired) and Quillin (not that good). Everyone else is from Europe, Latin America, a couple Aussies.

I'd gun for Quillin but probably won't happen so I guess it's time to get out the knee brace and crutches and trick Cotto into fighting him. He's the only guy with enough western exposure.

Not all "western fans" are casual fans who think only domestic fighters can be considered good wins. World class fighters are world class fighters. Golovkin needs to fight the best, period. It has absolutely nothing to do with where they are from

Golovkin drew a lot of American/non-Kazakh fans at MSG a few weeks ago, anyway. So he's already got a decent fanbase without having to be Ivan Drago and taking out a "western" star so that casuals can finally be sold or whatever you are saying


Beating Froch would be a bigger accomplishment then beating Quillin. If that doesn't get him exposure from casual fans because Froch isn't American (which I don't agree with anyway) then I think those fans are hopeless and he'll be fine without them

[King_]

When fans think about Kessler, they think of him vs Calzaghe, Ward, Froch, Green. They see the vulnerabilities he showed in those fights vs those guys that were his size and his height or taller. Then they picture they way Golovkin, a smaller, shorter fighter like Abraham basically, has been looking at 160 against basically fighters who are slightly below Allan Green level, and that's what they have in their head, I don't think they understand the difference between a Joe Calzaghe, Andre Ward, or Carl Froch and a Daniel Geale, Matthew Macklin and Curtis Stevens. Kessler showed vulnerabilities against elite fighters. But what they don't see is that he also beat the type of opposition GGG is fighting now with Andrade, Mundine, Lucas, Magee, Sartison - Those are the type of guys Golovkin has been destroying. Kessler has been there and done that.

I just hope the Kessler moving down to MW tweets don't mean much


I can't see GGG wanting him to come down, hopefully if he fights Kessler he moves up to 168 so he could get the credit he would deserve should he win

[E. O. Wilson]

Does it matter how casuals see him? Speaking a boxing fan, all I'm concerned with is Golovkin fighting the best available no matter where they come from 4-5 times per year.

Sturm ironically beat the biggest "Western" name of them all in De La Hoya on his own turf, a fat lot of good it did him.

Yeah good point but Sturm had his next... 20-30 fights in Germany? He didn't really leverage the DLH fight/robbery.

I personally know how good Golovkin is and how the US is no longer the "main stage" in boxing. It just seems like the average viewer/forumite thinks his opposition "sucks" because it's predominately foreign. I would like to see him shut them up.