who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

[slimshandy69]

But Andre Ward hasn't lost. You're dealing in hypothetical situations, riddles and rhymes and spasticated comparisons.

Dealing in facts, Andre Ward won the Super Six and convincingly beat everyone he faced in that tournament. He has proved he's the best at 168 through his entire body of work, not simply down to 1 victory.

ohhhhhhhhh so your from the school of being undefeated now...i get it. Look man im a big calzaghe fan and for the record i think hes better than froch. But its so obvious you hate the fact froch is getting more kudos than calzaghe by a high percentage of people.

Anyhow it was you who said "he has to beat andre ward" in regards to my question. But i rebuttal led by saying what happens if he losses to geroge groves or andre dirrell. then froch beats james degale or chavez. Whos number 1 super middle weight???

Im just intrigued because although your criteria is based off a one off result and being undefeated, they are many hypothetical permutations that could happen, that make your "ranking criteria" shoddy.

Who do you rate higher, jermaine taylor at middle weight or hopkins???ill assume that by your criteria, legacy wise Taylor is ahead of Hopkins as a ATG due to the fact that he was undefeated at the time and beat hopkins twice...

Mate devine hammer schooling you, im tering you a new one...id leave this thread if i were you...

[Dirk Diggler UK]

ohhhhhhhhh so your from the school of being undefeated now...i get it. Look man im a big calzaghe fan and for the record i think hes better than froch. But its so obvious you hate the fact froch is getting more kudos than calzaghe by a high percentage of people.

Anyhow it was you who said "he has to beat andre ward" in regards to my question. But i rebuttal led by saying what happens if he losses to geroge groves or andre dirrell. then froch beats james degale or chavez. Whos number 1 super middle weight???

Im just intrigued because although your criteria is based off a one off result and being undefeated, they are many hypothetical permutations that could happen, that make your "ranking criteria" shoddy.

Who do you rate higher, jermaine taylor at middle weight or hopkins???ill assume that by your criteria, legacy wise Taylor is ahead of Hopkins as a ATG due to the fact that he was undefeated at the time and beat hopkins twice...

Mate devine hammer schooling you, im tering you a new one...id leave this thread if i were you...

It's not based on one result which is why you're utterly spasticated Corrie Sanders, Buster Douglas and now Jermaine Taylor (LMAO) arguments are laughable.

Stop inventing new hypothetical situations. You're embarrassing yourself.

[slimshandy69]

He clearly doesn't though.

Froch: Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Kessler, Groves x 2, Abraham, Johnson, Dirrell

Ward: Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Bika, Miranda, Abraham, Rodriguez, Green.

I'd say Froch's resume is a fair bit stronger.

dont use logic mate, this will make dirk diggler seeth beyond recognition and as for his account to be locked out.

According to dirk, jermaine taylor is the greater fighter over hopkins because of his two wins over him, despite hopkins beating pavlik...and pavlik beatin tay...oh **** we got into triangle theories again with dirks 80 IQ ranking sytem.

I think Larryx is less ignore worthy than dirk....

[Levity]

That type of triangle theory doesn't apply because Ward hasn't lost. He also convincingly beat a fighter who in their next bout defeated Froch.

[slimshandy69]

That type of triangle theory doesn't apply because Ward hasn't lost. He also convincingly beat a fighter who in their next bout defeated Froch.

he head butted him to death, any other rational country, i.e denmark/uk would have DQED ward. Not one of the 3 cuts were his pathetic pitter patter punches...All head butts.

BTW froch outlanded kessler in the rematch as much as Ward(headbutted) in the first fight.

Froch beat Arthor Abraham alot better than ward did, do you want a piece of cake for that piece of info..


And lmao at the "so what if rodriguez was a super middle fight". That is my complete point. Dawson and rodriguez are basiclly null and void fights i terms of ranking at super middle due to the fact that one had never fought at the weight and was literally dehydrated to **** and the other one couldnt even make the weight in his "biggest ever fight".

Froch beat bute who if i am correct was ranked above ward by some ranking bodies. Plus he brutlised him in 5 rounds...

[Dirk Diggler UK]

dont use logic mate, this will make dirk diggler seeth beyond recognition and as for his account to be locked out.

According to dirk, jermaine taylor is the greater fighter over hopkins because of his two wins over him, despite hopkins beating pavlik...and pavlik beatin tay...oh **** we got into triangle theories again with dirks 80 IQ ranking sytem.

I think Larryx is less ignore worthy than dirk....

Do you remember Andre Ward winning the Super Six?

You know.....the tournament to decided who the best Super Middleweight in the world was.

It wasn't 1 fight by the way.

[Levity]

he head butted him to death, any other rational country, i.e denmark/uk would have DQED ward. Not one of the 3 cuts were his pathetic pitter patter punches...All head butts.

BTW froch outlanded kessler in the rematch as much as Ward(headbutted) in the first fight.

Froch beat Arthor Abraham alot better than ward did, do you want a piece of cake for that piece of info..


And lmao at the "so what if rodriguez was a super middle fight". That is my complete point. Dawson and rodriguez are basiclly null and void fights i terms of ranking at super middle due to the fact that one had never fought at the weight and was literally dehydrated to **** and the other one couldnt even make the weight in his "biggest ever fight".

Froch beat bute who if i am correct was ranked above ward by some ranking bodies. Plus he brutlised him in 5 rounds...

Ward outclassed Kessler in nearly every round and hardly got touched, and that was true before Kessler became seriously marked up. Kessler also didn't change the way he seemed to be fighting, so I'm doubtful about whether the headbutts were the major factor many claim that are.

Froch later beat Kessler, but that was after Kessler was seriously struggling with injuries which forced him to withdraw from the Super Six. He had also been hurt and dropped by Allen Green shortly before rematching Froch and was showing signs of slowing, hardly being the fighter he was when he fairly beat Froch, which as I've mentioned came immediately after he lost widely to Ward.

Froch may have beaten Abraham more convincingly than Ward did, but it's a fairly close call as both thoroughly dominated him. It's not comparable to Ward outclassing Kessler just before Kessler beat Froch.

I think it's nonsensical to say the Dawson and Rodriguez fights don't count, rather than including them but accounting for the particulars of each bout. Ward was still a SMW, Dawson made the limit, and Rodriguez is a career SMW who was only slightly over the limit. I certainly see the argument for Dawson being off form, but I don't see much evidence that Rodriguez was a different fighter than he usually is--very comparable to Groves and superior to Yusaf Mack.

And of course, Ward clearly beat Froch.

[slimshandy69]

Do you remember Andre Ward winning the Super Six?

You know.....the tournament to decided who the best Super Middleweight in the world was.

It wasn't 1 fight by the way.

i remeber the super 6, just about anyway as i was 3 years ago. Ward never fought out of the USA unlike every single other competitor, should have been disqualified, but most importantly taking all that aside, it showed he was the best in 2011...

He not even got a fight scheduled for early 2015 and his 2 ****ty fights hes had since the super 6 were against two unoffical unraked fights at 168.

Dawson got koed by stevenson the next fight, and the fight after couldnt mak the weight, rodriguez weight 170 and so it couldnt even be a title fight...


Froch has beaten higher ranked, and more of the higher ranked opponents,and in more spectacular fashion...and you know full well its logical to aset froch the number 1 suoer middle weight...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkUcGuQ_MwA

here you are mate, a hall of famer chris byrd thinks froch is number 1 super middleweight...but some southern wet blanket thinks ward is...i know who im going with...

Now **** off

[Levity]

It's a logical fallacy to say an argument is superior because of its source rather than its content.

Once good fighters regularly say questionable stuff. Jameel McCline suggested that Adamek would struggle with Kevin McBride's heavyweight speed; would a 'southern wet blanket' be wrong if they disagreed with him?

[The Big Dunn]

Tell that to iron and dirk diggler, they have been truely ****ed over the fact that under any logical ranking system that uses IQ and reasoning, carl froch is number 1.

Bit according to dirk diggler, jermaine taylor is a better fighter legacy wise compared to hopkins as hopkins never beat him...

So we determine who is number one by placing more weight on number of victories after getting your ass kicked by a guy instead of getting your ass kicked by that same guy.

Ward just fought 8 months ago. Even if you waited a year for this crap you'd at least have a valid argument.