who is the number 1 super middleweight in the word-FROCH OR WARD

[John Locke]

Ward is clearly the #1 super middleweight in the world, that's not debatable.

[slimshandy69]

When he beats Ward. Not hard to understand.

So what if andre ward losses to another super middle wieght that forch beat, lets say george groves. Whos number 1 super middle weight in the world??? SEE theres no logic and cohesion to it. You can just dine out on triangle theeories and one off bad nights going by your logic.

[slimshandy69]

Ward is clearly the #1 super middleweight in the world, that's not debatable.

BUT WE ARE ON ABOUT RANKINGS...

WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

[slimshandy69]

You can't fight twice in four years against questionable opponents and still be considered the top fighter in a division. Froch has definitely superseded Ward as the #1 Super-Middleweight and it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Tell that to iron and dirk diggler, they have been truely ****ed over the fact that under any logical ranking system that uses IQ and reasoning, carl froch is number 1.

Bit according to dirk diggler, jermaine taylor is a better fighter legacy wise compared to hopkins as hopkins never beat him...

[Levity]

Regardless of how many times Ward has fought recently, he has the best wins among him and Froch and clearly beat him head to head. The recent advantage for Froch is a bit overblown considering 3 of his last 5 fights have been against Yusaf Mack and George Groves, the former of whom was a mediocre opponent for someone at Froch and Ward's level, the latter of whom was no more proven or clearly better than Edwin Rodriguez entering the first bout.

People have scoffed each of my suggestions about Rodriguez, but I'm not sure how beating a novice Degale (shortly after hurt and pushed very close by Pitor Wilzecwski or however you spell it), Paul Smith, and shopworn Fransico Sierra types is obviously superior to stopping Grachev in one, outpointing Rosinsky and George, and beating other guys like McGirt Jr. and Pryor Jr. Groves was a very large underdog entering the first Froch bout, which reflected his lack of high-level experience and doubts about his ability, and only after did he become a supposedly top SMW. The problem with that logic is that it ignores the possibility that Froch struggled with someone who is really no better than people thought he was, while assuming that since Groves did well he must be a top fighter, better than the likes of Rodriguez.

By the same logic, Ward should've received more credit for beating Rodriguez had been dropped and losing before coming back to beat him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So what if andre ward losses to another super middle wieght that forch beat, lets say george groves. Whos number 1 super middle weight in the world??? SEE theres no logic and cohesion to it. You can just dine out on triangle theeories and one off bad nights going by your logic.

But Andre Ward hasn't lost. You're dealing in hypothetical situations, riddles and rhymes and spasticated comparisons.

Dealing in facts, Andre Ward won the Super Six and convincingly beat everyone he faced in that tournament. He has proved he's the best at 168 through his entire body of work, not simply down to 1 victory.

[slimshandy69]

Regardless of how many times Ward has fought recently, he has the best wins among him and Froch and clearly beat him head to head. The recent advantage for Froch is a bit overblown considering 3 of his last 5 fights have been against Yusaf Mack and George Groves, the former of whom was a mediocre opponent for someone at Froch and Ward's level, the latter of whom was no more proven or clearly better than Edwin Rodriguez entering the first bout.

People have scoffed each of my suggestions about Rodriguez, but I'm not sure how beating a novice Degale (shortly after hurt and pushed very close by Pitor Wilzecwski or however you spell it), Paul Smith, and shopworn Fransico Sierra types is obviously superior to stopping Grachev in one, outpointing Rosinsky and George, and beating other guys like McGirt Jr. and Pryor Jr. Groves was a very large underdog entering the first Froch bout, which reflected his lack of high-level experience and doubts about his ability, and only after did he become a supposedly top SMW. The problem with that logic is that it ignores the possibility that Froch struggled with someone who is really no better than people thought he was, while assuming that since Groves did well he must be a top fighter, better than the likes of Rodriguez.

By the same logic, Ward should've received more credit for beating Rodriguez had been dropped and losing before coming back to beat him.

rodriguez couldnt even make the weight which makes your massive paragraph utter ****...

I didnt bother reading it...

[LacedUp]

Regardless of how many times Ward has fought recently, he has the best wins among him and Froch and clearly beat him head to head. The recent advantage for Froch is a bit overblown considering 3 of his last 5 fights have been against Yusaf Mack and George Groves, the former of whom was a mediocre opponent for someone at Froch and Ward's level, the latter of whom was no more proven or clearly better than Edwin Rodriguez entering the first bout.

People have scoffed each of my suggestions about Rodriguez, but I'm not sure how beating a novice Degale (shortly after hurt and pushed very close by Pitor Wilzecwski or however you spell it), Paul Smith, and shopworn Fransico Sierra types is obviously superior to stopping Grachev in one, outpointing Rosinsky and George, and beating other guys like McGirt Jr. and Pryor Jr. Groves was a very large underdog entering the first Froch bout, which reflected his lack of high-level experience and doubts about his ability, and only after did he become a supposedly top SMW. The problem with that logic is that it ignores the possibility that Froch struggled with someone who is really no better than people thought he was, while assuming that since Groves did well he must be a top fighter, better than the likes of Rodriguez.

By the same logic, Ward should've received more credit for beating Rodriguez had been dropped and losing before coming back to beat him.

He clearly doesn't though.

Froch: Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Kessler, Groves x 2, Abraham, Johnson, Dirrell

Ward: Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Bika, Miranda, Abraham, Rodriguez, Green.

I'd say Froch's resume is a fair bit stronger.

[Levity]

If you didn't read it I don't know how you are qualified to say it was ****. How about addressing the points I made?

Rodriguez didn't make weight, but that hardly means that Ward beat an inferior version of him; perhaps he was even more difficult to beat because of the added size.

[Levity]

He clearly doesn't though.

Froch: Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Kessler, Groves x 2, Abraham, Johnson, Dirrell

Ward: Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Bika, Miranda, Abraham, Rodriguez, Green.

I'd say Froch's resume is a fair bit stronger.

I didn't say he has the best resume overall, I said he has the best wins. By that I mean his clear victories over Froch and non injury-riddled Kessler, the version who beat Froch one fight later, are superior to anything Froch has done.