Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 8/2/2014

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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 8/2/2014

    Some fights that had great potential disappointed this weekend, let's go over a few.

    Vargas vs Novikov

    This was one of the grind it out fights, that was tough on both guys. I think Novikov was the more active fighter, but Vargas landed the cleaner, harder punches throughout the fight. I had Vargas ahead by one point going into the 12th round and gave the last round to Vargas to win a close decision.

    The judges really blew this one, I mean the scores they gave make you wonder if the Russian fighter ever had a chance. Tough fight to score because again, the Russian seemed to land more, but Vargas landed the harder and cleaner shots. I thought the right man won, but the scores were absurd.

    I like Vargas, he doesn't have great power, but I like his jab and he's a good boxer. I thought he looked a little off, but that also had a lot to do with the Russians activity throughout the fight. Vargas will be a tough fight for anyone at that weight IMO.

    Kovalev vs Caparello

    Most didn't think this would go far and it didn't. Caparello didn't really put up much of a fight, moved a lot and landed a punch after a trip they called a knockdown but it was a trip that caused Kovalev to fall.

    Now we will see Kovalev vs Hopkins and I can't believe this fight is being made. I can't bet against the Alien, just can't do it. I believe that Kovalev is too up right and looks to land the big shot and only the big shot. It's a dangerous fight but I think B Hop wins another amazing fight at nearly 50 years old.

    Rios vs Chaves

    What a sloppy, dirty fight. I have to say first and foremost before you guys accuse me of being on the side of Rios, I think he's done as an elite fighter at 140 or 147. He looked lethargic, slow, and soft around the midsection. He can still fight inside, but he just can't defend anything.

    On the other hand, I think Chaves was fighting dirty from the beginning. Every time Rios got close, he would hold, and he was doing it from round 1. It's frustrating, and even though that's what you are taught to do against a brawler, Chaves isn't Mayweather and they will not allow him to do that for 12 rounds.

    On the other hand, Rios was coming in with the head, but Chaves was holding a lot. Now the poke in the eye thing, I couldn't see on the replay, but I know that's a tactic some fighters use and if Chaves was doing that, he deserved to get DQ'd. The ref either way did a horrible job because he didn't seem clear in his warnings and was losing control of the fight.

    I think Draculich should have been clearer on his warnings, and then maybe taken another point from Chaves before the DQ. Either way, I had it a very close fight, with Rios winning inside, and Chaves winning from distance. I had Chaves up 1 pt on my score card, but Rios was coming on in the later rounds.

    Rios didn't look like the same fighter we are used to seeing, and we know that brawling style takes it toll on you. I personally think he's done, he just didn't look good physically. Ariza may be an ass.hole but at least he had him in better shape. He looked very soft around the midsection.


    Friday Night Fights

    Thomas Willams Jr suffered a tough loss and setback against the vet Campillo. You know, sometimes it's about heart and nothing more. I was really big on Williams Jr but I think for the first time in his life, he wasn't the one doing the beating and was getting beat on and he didn't like it.

    Like I have said before, talent only carries you so far in this sport. In the end, I will take heart and courage over talent any day of the week. Williams Jr just folded in the face of pressure, ran in the end, and you could see was mentally broken.

    I hope this kid comes back, because I have seen many a fighter never recover from something like this. Boxing is a sport that will show you who you are, and sometimes it's not what you want to see. Most people lie to themselves every day, thinking they are something they are not, and until you face that adversity, that pressure and pain, you won't know who you are.
  • Hougigo
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    Williams didn't respect campillo IMO. He was talking about kovalev and fighting for a title and then comparing how he beat other guys better than other title holders. We'll see how he recovers from this

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      Originally posted by Hougigo
      Williams didn't respect campillo IMO. He was talking about kovalev and fighting for a title and then comparing how he beat other guys better than other title holders. We'll see how he recovers from this
      Well I tend not to look too much into talk before a fight because you really don't know what you are getting into until you are in the ring. Also, very few fighters over look an opponent.

      I think Williams was doing good early, but he's used to hitting guys and them folding. When Campillo didn't do that, he almost looked shocked like "what are you still doing here?"

      I hope he does recover because he has a lot of talent. He just ran into a tough vet who's been there and done that.

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        I disagree. I didn't see Vargas win more than 6 rounds.

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          completely disagree with you on vargas. he was getting his ass handed to him later on and lost that fight.

          barring gift decisions, i don't believe he'll be a threat to any top shelf opponent at 140 and 147. he's barely eeking out decisions against sub-par competition, ffs. it's laughable that he is even a title holder.

          vargas has little defense to speak of. he gets hit way too often and backs up in straight lines immediately into the ropes when he's caught. any decent puncher at 140/147 will fold this guy.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Derranged
            I disagree. I didn't see Vargas win more than 6 rounds.
            Originally posted by Body Movin'
            completely disagree with you on vargas. he was getting his ass handed to him later on and lost that fight.

            barring gift decisions, i don't believe he'll be a threat to any top shelf opponent at 140 and 147. he's barely eeking out decisions against sub-par competition, ffs. it's laughable that he is even a title holder.

            vargas has little defense to speak of. he gets hit way too often and backs up in straight lines immediately into the ropes when he's caught. any decent puncher at 140/147 will fold this guy.
            I thought it was a back and forth fight, oddly enough the HBO guys had it exactly as I had (I know that doesn't mean anything).

            Maybe I have to take another look at the fight. I thought Vargas was landing the better shots, and the Russian was more active. I don't think it wasn't a close fight either way.

            Obviously the scores were ridiculous. Makes you sad for boxing to be honest, when are we going to see this type of thing end?

            Vargas has looked better in previous fights though, and you are right, he didn't show much defense against the Russian but he's looked much better in the past. I think maybe it's his trainers fault for trying to make him "sit down" on his punches more. They are looking to get KO's and that will leave you more vulnerable. Vargas is a boxer, it's what he is and I don't think that's going to change any time soon.

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            • bojangles1987
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              It's a shame Vargas has so many gifts to make fans hate him, because I don't think he's too bad. There's a lot to improve on, but he's solid. Those scorecards were a disgrace. No need to wonder if Novikov ever had a chance, he clearly didn't. This was a perfect example of a fight where either guy could have won, but it was still a robbery.

              Kovalev has a lot of flaws, but man is he a dangerous fighter. That power seems impossible, so few fighters can even go 3 rounds with him. He might be my favorite fighter to watch in the sport despite those short fights, because he's the purest form of knock out or get knocked out that exists right now. He's an incredible offensive machine.

              I'm putting most the blame on Chaves for what happened, and while the ref was crap I'm glad Chaves was disqualified. He did fight dirty from the beginning, and while Rios was reckless with his head Chaves was completely exaggerating it, trying to draw ref interference. Screw him, especially for that DDT. That could have, and may have, hurt Rios.

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              • TheRichCoward
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                Caparello popped Kovalev with a CLEAN A$$ SHOT to the side of the noggin, LMfAO@ calling it a trip. Sure.

                Anyways, being the bum that we all knew he was, Caparello couldn't do **** after he landed that nice shot on the side of Kovalev's dome piece.

                I predicted Kovalev by KO/TKO in the 3rd round, it just happened a bit sooner, and good thing it did. It's not a good look being dropped by bums like Stevenson and Kovalev have been, in their last performances.

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                • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  It's a shame Vargas has so many gifts to make fans hate him, because I don't think he's too bad. There's a lot to improve on, but he's solid. Those scorecards were a disgrace. No need to wonder if Novikov ever had a chance, he clearly didn't. This was a perfect example of a fight where either guy could have won, but it was still a robbery.

                  Kovalev has a lot of flaws, but man is he a dangerous fighter. That power seems impossible, so few fighters can even go 3 rounds with him. He might be my favorite fighter to watch in the sport despite those short fights, because he's the purest form of knock out or get knocked out that exists right now. He's an incredible offensive machine.

                  I'm putting most the blame on Chaves for what happened, and while the ref was crap I'm glad Chaves was disqualified. He did fight dirty from the beginning, and while Rios was reckless with his head Chaves was completely exaggerating it, trying to draw ref interference. Screw him, especially for that DDT. That could have, and may have, hurt Rios.
                  As far as the bolded, I'm glad you pointed that out because it's a tactic used by old time fighters. To keep your chin straight in the air to show or exaggerate that the opponent is using his head. Chaves was clearly doing that and I noticed it as well.

                  The funny part was in the end when Chaves looked like "What did I do"..hahaha he knew what he did but Draculich could have controlled this fight much better than what he did.

                  Either way, I thought Rios looked terrible.

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                  • Hougigo
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                    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520
                    Well I tend not to look too much into talk before a fight because you really don't know what you are getting into until you are in the ring. Also, very few fighters over look an opponent.

                    I think Williams was doing good early, but he's used to hitting guys and them folding. When Campillo didn't do that, he almost looked shocked like "what are you still doing here?"

                    I hope he does recover because he has a lot of talent. He just ran into a tough vet who's been there and done that.
                    First round he dd look dominant, but campillo is a slow starter and when he started, it was all downhill from there. Veteran drowning a young gun.


                    Heard Lou is exploring campillo/e-rod.... Would like to see chilemba in there

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