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  • -Kev-
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    #11
    Originally posted by LoadedWraps
    see, we start off on the wrong foot if your example isn't a good one. DLH was over the hill when Floyd fought him, nevermind Manny, a prime DLH beats both.

    Recent cherrypicks gone wrong are Ruslan vs Algieri, aleem vs rojas, mayweather vs maidana, and broner vs maidana.
    DLH was over the hill but he did cherrypick Pacquiao. He gave off that much of an advantage because he thought Pac was so small it didn't matter.

    Maidana was picked by the fans, not Broner.

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    • ИATAS
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      #12
      Originally posted by LoadedWraps
      It was competitive because that's how good of a fighter he once was, we were seeing the remnants of. The same people who thought that version of DLH would beat that version of Manny are probably the same people who thought Maidana would get gatti'd, Canelo would beat Floyd, and Gatti would beat Floyd. In otherwords, people who DKSAB. DLH was past his prime and focusing more on promoting for a while, the hype was not warranted in that sense, if both were prime, that would have been something else.

      There's not a fighter in their prime in the last 20 years I would have put my money on against Margarito at that time either. And almost any version of DLH beats Cotto.
      Man, no where in boxing does a 154 pound fighter fight a guy who had one fight at 135 instead of fighting the guys his same size not considered a cherry pick! Again, Vegas odds were 4-1 in favor of Oscar. Massive cherry pick gone horribly wrong for Oscar.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #13
        Originally posted by LoadedWraps
        That's not a cherry pick either way, be serious now.

        Broner absolutely was trying to cherrypick an easy win, and everyone here expected Maidana to get his ears boxed off except for like 6 of us lol.
        Not really the polls for Maidana-Broner were 50-50.

        You of all people calling Mayweather-Maidana a cherry pick.

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        • LoadedWraps
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          #14
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Not really the polls for Maidana-Broner were 50-50.

          You of all people calling Mayweather-Maidana a cherry pick.
          Eh, polls don't actually decide the fight, I firmly believe Maidana was picked because they thought he was tailor made for Broner, remember Broner was being groomed, and I don't consider Floyd a cherry picker by nature but you mean to tell me that fight didn't get criticized hard and Floyd was an overwhelming favorite with the bookies? Maybe it wasn't a legit cherry pick, actually I agree it's not, but by NSB standards it sure was.

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #15
            Originally posted by LoadedWraps
            Eh, polls don't actually decide the fight, I firmly believe Maidana was picked because they thought he was tailor made for Broner, remember Broner was being groomed, and I don't consider Floyd a cherry picker by nature but you mean to tell me that fight didn't get criticized hard and Floyd was an overwhelming favorite with the bookies? Maybe it wasn't a legit cherry pick, actually I agree it's not, but by NSB standards it sure was.
            Well how can you say only 6 people picked Maidana when the polls were 50-50? Doesn't make sense.

            Don't really care what the odds say, the fight was clearly a dangerous one and you knew that before the fight so how can it be a cherry pick?

            If were going NSB standards then almost every fights a cherry pick. Especially Oscar-Pacquaio which you're saying wasn't a cherry pick.

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            • DoktorSleepless
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              #16
              Garcia-Herrera was probably the biggest one in recent years. Garcia was a 10 to 1 favorite.
              Last edited by DoktorSleepless; 08-01-2014, 11:23 PM.

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              • LoadedWraps
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                #17
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Well how can you say only 6 people picked Maidana when the polls were 50-50? Doesn't make sense.

                Don't really care what the odds say, the fight was clearly a dangerous one and you knew that before the fight so how can it be a cherry pick?

                If were going NSB standards then almost every fights a cherry pick. Especially Oscar-Pacquaio which you're saying wasn't a cherry pick.
                I was exaggerating to make a point, I know it was more than 6 but many of those votes were pure trolling, obviously some people thought he had a chance but the overwhelming majority had Broner boxing his ears off.

                haha, the last part you have right, you know I am a DLHtard at heart though so anything other than praises for the Golden Boy hurt and I have to defend him like larryx would Floyd, el angel would for Cotto, or robust would for Kellerman.

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                • -Kev-
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by LoadedWraps
                  Eh, polls don't actually decide the fight, I firmly believe Maidana was picked because they thought he was tailor made for Broner, remember Broner was being groomed, and I don't consider Floyd a cherry picker by nature but you mean to tell me that fight didn't get criticized hard and Floyd was an overwhelming favorite with the bookies? Maybe it wasn't a legit cherry pick, actually I agree it's not, but by NSB standards it sure was.
                  But Maidana wasn't picked by Broner.

                  The Ring poll had these options:

                  Matthysse - 45.2%
                  Maidana - 27.1%
                  D. Garcia - 12.3%

                  Received less than 10% each:
                  Robert Guerrero
                  Kell Brook
                  Andre Berto-Jesus Soto Karrass winner
                  Keith Thurman-Diego Chavez winner

                  GBP/Haymon made Garcia vs Matthysse, a fight that fans wanted to see even more than Broner-Matthysse. The next logical opponent was Maidana on the poll. So the fans essentially picked Maidana, nobody "cherrypicked" him.

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                  • LoadedWraps
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by -Kev-
                    But Maidana wasn't picked by Broner.

                    The Ring poll had these options:

                    Matthysse - 45.2%
                    Maidana - 27.1%
                    D. Garcia - 12.3%

                    Received less than 10% each:
                    Robert Guerrero
                    Kell Brook
                    Andre Berto-Jesus Soto Karrass winner
                    Keith Thurman-Diego Chavez winner

                    GBP/Haymon made Garcia vs Matthysse, a fight that fans wanted to see even more than Broner-Matthysse. The next logical opponent was Maidana on the poll. So the fans essentially picked Maidana, nobody "cherrypicked" him.
                    I know that went down, but like I said before I don't believe that had as much influence on their decision as fans think it did. I just think thinking that they are actually letting voters decide is naive, especially knowing how the governing bodies and prmotion companies are.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS
                      Man, no where in boxing does a 154 pound fighter fight a guy who had one fight at 135 instead of fighting the guys his same size not considered a cherry pick! Again, Vegas odds were 4-1 in favor of Oscar. Massive cherry pick gone horribly wrong for Oscar.
                      Yes Oscar is shot to ****. But at that time, no one picked Manny to win the fight. I have been following Pac since his blow by blow days (when Pac was starting as boxer) and that fight was the first time I geniunely thought will lose and KTFO. So yes, that was the greatest cherry pick of all time gone wrong!

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