Comments Thread For: Golovkin-Ward: Promoter Doesn't See Financial Sense

[joseph5620]

To the bolded - They paid those fighters around 500k. Ward is gtd at least 2.5 million per bout, and I am dumbfounded you couldn't connect these dots.

To the underline - Where did you get the impression ward is a huge draw? He can barely fill a 5k stadium in Oakland, and who knows how many of those tickets are actually paid for.

First of all, dont put words in my mouth. I never said Ward is a huge draw. So don't lie. I said prove Golovkin-Ward would draw any less than Cotto-Martinez on PPV.

Second, Edwin Rodriguez was paid one million to fight Ward. That's a lot more than 500,000. Can you connect those dots?

[joseph5620]

Now you're comparing mayweather's drawing power to wards... My god.

No dummy, I'm using it as an example of calling a smaller fighter out.


Also, you're lying about all of Golovkin's title challengers getting 500,000. Stevens purse was 290,000 and Golovkin's 400,000. That's just a start.


What else are you going to lie about?

[Flash13]

First of all, dont put words in my mouth. I never said Ward is a huge draw. So don't lie. I said prove Golovkin-Ward would draw any less than Cotto-Martinez on PPV.

Second, Edwin Rodriguez was paid one million to fight Ward. That's a lot more than 500,000. Can you connect those dots?

You mentioned Golovkin's past opponents suggesting if they aren't ppv draws then ward doesn't have to be. Well ward is paid at least 5 times what they are, so that logic is skewed to say the least. Ward wants 2.5 million for a tuneup can you imagine what he wants to face GGG?!?!

Next you said that GGG-Ward could outsell a ppv fight with the 3rd or 4th biggest draw, so obviously you are saying he's a draw.

[Eastcoast]

We're not three years into the future so that's a ridiculous counter point. You're also clearly using a double standard.

If you would've read what I posted properly, yes we're three years in the future, because Andre made that statement 3 years ago right after the S6.

Ward is not running his mouth about how no fighter at 175 can go the distance with him in the same way Golovkin's trainer is about 154-168.

Golovkin called out Mayweather too. A very small jr middleweight. Did you have a problem with that?

Andre runs his mouth alot... I could post a book worth of Andre Ward quotes where he contradicts himself and is a hypocrite. From calling out Chavez to condemning Froch for calling out Chavez months later, to how Bute needs to prove himself before Andre would fight him, then turns around signs to fight a shot Pavlik, to saying he'll move up to fight at LHW for the right fight, then making the LHW champ Dawson drop to 168, to saying he could beat Klitschko.

Why would Ward talk about Golovkin when it's obvious Golovkin doesn't want to fight him anytime soon?

Why would Ward talk about Golovkin? Are you being serious? Andre's been talking about Golovkin for a year now! He even sent an email to HBO to be read on air right after the Golovkin/Rubio fight.... He just recently stopped talking about Golovkin now that he's finally in a position to actually make fights. Ward's been using GGG's name to keep himself relevant.

Golovkin's stance on Ward has been consistent. They respect Andre as a tough fight, and when the fight reaches a ppv level in order to satisfy the financial expectations for both fighters, they'll pursue it. Ward had a contract minimum of $2mill. Golovkin signed to fight Chavez for a minimum of $2mill. A $4mill purse already exceeds normal HBO and requires ppv. Both fighters need to up their brand before it's ppv. Prince & Loeffler recently agreed 2016 is the goal.

[joseph5620]

You mentioned Golovkin's past opponents suggesting if they aren't ppv draws then ward doesn't have to be. Well ward is paid at least 5 times what they are, so that logic is skewed to say the least. Ward wants 2.5 million for a tuneup can you imagine what he wants to face GGG?!?!

Next you said that GGG-Ward could outsell a ppv fight with the 3rd or 4th biggest draw, so obviously you are saying he's a draw.

In other words you lied about what I said and you continue to lie lol. Please quote where I said anything about Ward outselling anybody. I'll wait.

What I said was, can you prove Golovkin-Ward would do less on PPV than Cotto-Martinez? Can you? If not I suggest you stop lying and misquoting me to avoid further embarrassment.

Then you came up with a lie about how all of Golovkin's opponents that I listed were paid 500,000 which is a flat out lie. You have no credibility on this topic.

[Eastcoast]

Not surprised. IMO the stevens fight showed a lil about GGG... and stevens aint sh^t either.

What did Stevens show about Golovkin other than he take a hit (Adama btw hit Golovkin with an even bigger punch that Golovkin shook off just fine).

Is it that he backs up when guys start hitting him?
Yeah, he does that with every fight. That's technique. Like when Ward clinches a guy when they start landing on him. Golovkin instead of tying guys up, controls distance and will reset action by moving out of range and reestablishing control.

[Szef]

Not surprised. IMO the stevens fight showed a lil about GGG... and stevens aint sh^t either.

man, ggg scares the **** out of you

you seem to be more afraid of cotto losing to golovkin than cotto himself

[joseph5620]

If you would've read what I posted properly, yes we're three years in the future, because Andre made that statement 3 years ago right after the S6.





Andre runs his mouth alot... I could post a book worth of Andre Ward quotes where he contradicts himself and is a hypocrite. From calling out Chavez to condemning Froch for calling out Chavez months later, to how Bute needs to prove himself before Andre would fight him, then turns around signs to fight a shot Pavlik, to saying he'll move up to fight at LHW for the right fight, then making the LHW champ Dawson drop to 168, to saying he could beat Klitschko.




Why would Ward talk about Golovkin? Are you being serious? Andre's been talking about Golovkin for a year now! He even sent an email to HBO to be read on air right after the Golovkin/Rubio fight.... He just recently stopped talking about Golovkin now that he's finally in a position to actually make fights. Ward's been using GGG's name to keep himself relevant.

Golovkin's stance on Ward has been consistent. They respect Andre as a tough fight, and when the fight reaches a ppv level in order to satisfy the financial expectations for both fighters, they'll pursue it. Ward had a contract minimum of $2mill. Golovkin signed to fight Chavez for a minimum of $2mill. A $4mill purse already exceeds normal HBO and requires ppv. Both fighters need to up their brand before it's ppv. Prince & Loeffler recently agreed 2016 is the goal.

I don't have time to answer everything but I'll respond to your last statement. Golovkin is already 32 years old. Ward is 30. There isn't a lot of time for " upping the brand".

These fighters are not prospects.

In my opinion they should fight this year. Not in 2016. Ward might not even fight at 168 in 2016.


Also, three years from the past until now is not the same as three years from this day regarding where Ward is going to be.

[Flash13]

In other words you lied about what I said and you continue to lie lol. Please quote whereI said anything about Ward outselling anybody. I'll wait.

What I Said was, can you prove Golovkin-Ward would do less on PPV than Cotto-Martinez? Can you? If not I suggest you stop lying and misquoting me to avoid further embarrassment.

Then you came up with a lie about how all of Golovkin's opponents that I listed were paid 500,000 which is a flat out lie. You have no credibility on this topic.

I can't prove it for sure, but there is no way in HELL GGG-Ward sells more than cotto-martinez at this time. You are suggesting that it can, by the statement prove that it can't. That suggests that it is a possibility, which at this time it definitely is not. No way in hell.

Second, I've seen a list of the purses for those opponents and i think the average purse is like 560k, so no not exactly but an average.

[joseph5620]

I can't prove it for sure, but there is no way in HELL GGG-Ward sells more than cotto-martinez at this time. You are suggesting that it can, by the statement prove that it can't. That suggests that it is a possibility, which at this time it definitely is not. No way in hell.

Second, I've seen a list of the purses for those opponents and i think the average purse is like 560k, so no not exactly but an average.

Okay, so you can't prove it. Thank you for proving my point.


Golovkin's title challengers that I listed did not average 560,000 dollar purses. Just stop with that lie.