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  • techliam
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    #31
    Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
    Golovkin's power isn't in question, he's arguably P4P the hardest puncher in the sport. Only person raising that question here is you, I'm simply saying it's important to note what kind of effects Canelo's early assault would have on Golovkin, as he's the likeliest to test that theory first. Maybe Golovkin has seen better punchers, maybe he hasn't but it's entirely different when that power is thrown in combinations.

    This has become a useless back and forth, you refuse to see that Canelo's power brought on the negativity Lara displayed and killed Angulo's spirit. You can keep questioning it though, I've seen that happen time and time again. I just know Golovkin will give Canelo all the counter punching opportunities needed to answer what I'm looking for.
    Golovkin ate some monster left hooks from Stevens - punches that would have floored most fighters. Golovkin didnt even flinch. He has an iron chin.

    Canelo, who isnt known for being a 1 punch KO artist, or even a KO artist generally, at 154, I just dont see how he'll trouble Golovkin. Canelo would be eating some Golovkin bombs if he tries to pressure him, as either fighter isnt that hard to hit. Its Canelos negativity id be worried about

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    • Divine Hammer
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      #32
      Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
      Golovkin's power isn't in question, he's arguably P4P the hardest puncher in the sport. Only person raising that question here is you, I'm simply saying it's important to note what kind of effects Canelo's early assault would have on Golovkin, as he's the likeliest to test that theory first. Maybe Golovkin has seen better punchers, maybe he hasn't but it's entirely different when that power is thrown in combinations.

      This has become a useless back and forth, you refuse to see that Canelo's power brought on the negativity Lara displayed and killed Angulo's spirit. You can keep questioning it though, I've seen that happen time and time again. I just know Golovkin will give Canelo all the counter punching opportunities needed to answer what I'm looking for.
      canelo's power will have no effect on golovkin. no matter if he lands two or three in a row. canelo was able to land multiple clean shots on angulo and mosley but neither of them ever looked in danger of getting dropped or stopped.

      so you and the rest of canelo's fans can keep living in this dream world where canelo is the biggest puncher in boxing, and i will stay in reality where he isn't even the biggest puncher at 154.

      golovkin will gladly eat a 3 or 4 punch combo from canelo, laugh and throw and land ONE devastating KO or knockdown punch like he did against geale.

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      • nveleven
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        #33
        The GGG hype reminds me of prime PAC climbing his way up through the divisions. Sadly, in this age of protecting fighters, I can't see in a million years how we get GGG v Canelo or Cotto or Chavez Jr. This sport has become so b!tch-made bc of rich divas who run it.

        GGG will be fighting respectable, but virtually unheard of fighters (e.g. the Geales of the sport) until 5 years from now when he's past his prime.

        And it sucks bc the fighters themselves want a crack at GGG. Canelo, Cotto, Chavez aren't 'scared'. It's their handlers who will advise them to fight other opposition.

        The reason the term 'hype job' gets thrown around so often is bc the most exciting match ups don't get made, hence no definitive answer on ATG status
        Last edited by nveleven; 07-27-2014, 09:09 AM.

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        • Doctor_Tenma
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          #34
          Originally posted by Killer_of_Sheep
          I must disagree. It wasn't Canelo who made Lara fight that way. That's the way he fights when pressured. He standed more against Angulo, because Angulo mas more willing to take punches to get in close and he did just that. Lara tried to move at every chance he had.

          And Angulo didn't have his spirit broken, he arguably had his best round one round before the stoppage. He was just outclassed, but never broken.

          Against Golovkin, i can see Canelo getting some good punches in. But let's not pretend that Golovkin has the same approach as Angulo. He has one of the best jabs in boxing and uses it to set up everything. That jab would disturb Canelo's rythim and move him back and then Golovkin would go after him.

          I can see Canelo making it competitive for about four rounds, but then Golovkin takes over and its a wrap.
          It was, I've watched the fight enough times to say that. Lara's approach completely changed after round 4, his approach looked far more distinctive in comparison to rounds 1 through 3. Lara knew exactly what needed to be done to win, HE KNEW, his early success showed that, he clearly strayed away from that because of Canelo's power. You know, a good margin believed Angulo got bought, that's how broken his spirit was after round 1, he was able to reawaken at times but Canelo took it out of him.
          Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 07-27-2014, 09:15 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by techliam
            Golovkin ate some monster left hooks from Stevens - punches that would have floored most fighters. Golovkin didnt even flinch. He has an iron chin.

            Canelo, who isnt known for being a 1 punch KO artist, or even a KO artist generally, at 154, I just dont see how he'll trouble Golovkin. Canelo would be eating some Golovkin bombs if he tries to pressure him, as either fighter isnt that hard to hit. Its Canelos negativity id be worried about
            yet somehow he is telling us we need to wonder how golovkin will take canelo's punches. canelo isn't even the strongest puncher at 154 hahahahahahahaha.

            we just saw golovkin eat a huge flush straight right from geale and still had it in him to land a knockdown punch.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
              Golovkin's power isn't in question, he's arguably P4P the hardest puncher in the sport. Only person raising that question here is you, I'm simply saying it's important to note what kind of effects Canelo's early assault would have on Golovkin, as he's the likeliest to test that theory first. Maybe Golovkin has seen better punchers, maybe he hasn't but it's entirely different when that power is thrown in combinations.

              This has become a useless back and forth, you refuse to see that Canelo's power brought on the negativity Lara displayed and killed Angulo's spirit. You can keep questioning it though, I've seen that happen time and time again. I just know Golovkin will give Canelo all the counter punching opportunities needed to answer what I'm looking for.

              I only now read your previous replies.

              If I got it right you think/know that Canelo would try to bring the fight to GGG, get off first.

              It is not unreasonable but it is extremely risky. GGG is the kind of guy that can hurt almost anybody with one punch.

              Get off first, transition to defense, counter in the pocket. It is easier said than done.
              One mistake, one punch he doesn't see coming and it could be the end of the night.

              As for fighting on the inside, GGG has a very good jab, I do not think it'll get to who is pushing who where. And Saul doesn't normally fight like that.

              In my opinion Canelo would end up fighting off his backfoot pretty soon, allowing GGG to dictate the pace. And that would be when he needs to move.

              However, it's a fight I'd like to see, more so than GGG vs Cotto.

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              • techliam
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                #37
                Originally posted by Doctor_Tenma
                It was, I've watched the fight enough times to say that. Lara's approach completely changed after round 4, his approach looked far more distinctive in comparison to rounds 1 through 3. Lara knew exactly what needed to be done to win, HE KNEW, his early success showed that, he clearly strayed away from that because of Canelo's power. You know, a good margin believed Angulo got bought, that's how broken his spirit was after round 1, he was able to reawaken at times but Canelo took it out of him.
                Well ok maybe youre right, but what has that got to do with Golovkin? Lara doesnt have a solid chin, he relies on movement to take leas punches and less direct shots. He was floored by Angulo, who isnt some monster puncher. The Lara situation and a theoretical Golovkin one do not fit together. Golovkin has a solid proven iron chin

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                • Doctor_Tenma
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by techliam
                  Golovkin ate some monster left hooks from Stevens - punches that would have floored most fighters. Golovkin didnt even flinch. He has an iron chin.

                  Canelo, who isnt known for being a 1 punch KO artist, or even a KO artist generally, at 154, I just dont see how he'll trouble Golovkin. Canelo would be eating some Golovkin bombs if he tries to pressure him, as either fighter isnt that hard to hit. Its Canelos negativity id be worried about
                  Not oblivious to how well he took those punches too, he answered a lot of questions that night but those punches landed too far in between. Canelo is far more skilled than Stevens, faster on the trigger.

                  Also, people are getting the wrong idea on power, I'm not saying it's a necessity for Canelo to hurt or drop Golovkin, if his punches are strong enough that Golovkin is visibly slowing down because of it, more conservative as well...that's good enough as it is.
                  Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 07-27-2014, 09:26 AM.

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                  • Doctor_Tenma
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by techliam
                    Well ok maybe youre right, but what has that got to do with Golovkin? Lara doesnt have a solid chin, he relies on movement to take leas punches and less direct shots. He was floored by Angulo, who isnt some monster puncher. The Lara situation and a theoretical Golovkin one do not fit together. Golovkin has a solid proven iron chin
                    The post I'm responding to man

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Divine Hammer
                      canelo's power gets completely overrated by his fans. truth is the only top ten ranked jr middleweight canelo was able to stop was a past it and euro level ryan rhodes hahahahahaha.

                      if mosley and angulo can take repeated shots from canelo then i'm sure a middleweight like golovkin will be fine. no need to worry. only people who need to worry about who can take who's punches are canelo fans.
                      They have an inflated perception of what Canelo really is. Canelo really isn't all that.

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