Comments Thread For: Bellew: Gennady Golovkin Absolutely Blasts Miguel Cotto

[-Kev-]

Pac also relinquished his 154 WBC title soon after he won it.

So your argument there is a moot point.

That means Cotto should do the same as Pac or he has to defend it against real 160 fighters.

We do not know if Cotto will relinquish his. He hasn't even said anything about what his next move is.

If Golovkin wants Cotto, he has to make it worth it for Cotto. Can Golovkin bring Cotto the same amount of money Canelo, Bradley, Chavez Jr, Mayweather rematch can get him?

A simple Macro/Microeconomics 101 class would probably open your eyes and teach you simple things like Opportunity Cost, Costly Trade-Offs, Rational Decision Making, Marginal Thinking, etc google some of these terms. There's even full lessons on Youtube. Most of you need this in your life. Please do not bring up "It's cause I am a real boxing fan and you are not". I have been watching boxing since the 90s, but I understand and can not change that boxing is a business first. Cotto, and any other fighter(including GGG, e.g. willing to go up to 168 for Chavez Jr but not for Ward it's rational decision making) will take fights that fulfill their own interests, which is picking the fight with the highest monetary gains, the fans are second. Stop being so judgmental, the fighter you're defending is doing the same thing right under your nose. You would do the same too. Don't be so judgmental.

[mathed]

Bellew, you got beaten to pieces by the coward Stevenson, no one cares about your thoughts. Now go run along an win a meaningful fight without the help of the judges.

[mathed]

Where did I say that? I said Cotto always has been the better fighter, that means he trucks him 5 years ago? No, it doesn't. It means prime Sergio crouches his body, (lowering his height) dropped his hands, could easily be hit, had bad balance/footwork and was dropped in fights. He's the same Sergio he always has been just maybe older and a little slower. It means Cotto at his best would have always beaten Martinez at his best.



Their power is similar and speed is similar, other than that Trout didn't get knocked on his ass 3 times, and then again by a jab in the 9th. So no, Martinez is not better than Trout in every department.

You think Sergio from 2012 would have lost to Cotto like he just did?
To the knockdown comment, Cotto only dropped him legit one time, the others were from punches behind the head and Sergio just tripping over his own feet.

[RAV3N]

We do not know if Cotto will relinquish his. He hasn't even said anything about what his next move is.

If Golovkin wants Cotto, he has to make it worth it for Cotto. Can Golovkin bring Cotto the same amount of money Canelo, Bradley, Chavez Jr, Mayweather rematch can get him?

A simple Macro/Microeconomics 101 class would probably open your eyes and teach you simple things like Opportunity Cost, Costly Trade-Offs, Rational Decision Making, Marginal Thinking, etc google some of these terms. There's even full lessons on Youtube. Most of you need this in your life. Please do not bring up "It's cause I am a real boxing fan and you are not". I have been watching boxing since the 90s, but I understand and can not change that boxing is a business first. Cotto, and any other fighter(including GGG, e.g. willing to go up to 168 for Chavez Jr but not for Ward it's rational decision making) will take fights that fulfill their own interests, which is picking the fight with the highest monetary gains, the fans are second. Stop being so judgmental, the fighter you're defending is doing the same thing right under your nose. You would do the same too. Don't be so judgmental.

I fully understand the economics of the sport but I am a fan, not a boxing promoter.

I just personally feel that the lineal champ should be fighting the best in his division otherwise he is just making a mockery of the title.

[Hougigo]

To you dumbos talking about Cotto's 160 title, he weighed in at 155lbs.

Nobody was telling Pacquiao to defend his 154 WBC title against James Kirkland, Paul Williams, or Vanes Martirosyan. Every one defended him as being too small for 154. Yet, Cotto is just right for GGG?

Maybe because he had no interest of defending the title and told the WBC he had no intention of defending it and had it vacated a little after winning it?

You and that other idiot are 2 of the 5 worst GGG fans on this website. Can't wait 'til GGG steps up to an actual good fighter and not these guys who lost to Darren Barker, and other journeymen/club fighters.

And you're one of the worst haters. Bet you can't wait till Golovkin loses way down the line and you finally have a reason to celebrate knowing your life's goal of Golovkin losing is complete.

Anybody he fights is a bum in your eyes anyway, so what does it matter?

Seriously though, bringing up Cotto's weight when he started his career as a reason why the fight shouldn't happen is fucking ******ed, but I can see why you agree with it, so not really a surprise there

[Sugar Adam Ali]

It doesn't take a genius to realize that ggg would thrash cotto

[Beater_of_ass]

If funny how you talk down on his style and yet thats the reason you think he's a "worse" fighter then Cotto. Maravilla's style is simply something you don't like and it doesn't make him a lesser fighter then Cotto. That same style made him middleweight kingpin and he practically cleaned out his division until GGG came a knocking. Boxing experts and analysts, who probably know more then you, had Martinez a favorite for a reason, not just people on NSB. Your Cotto homerism will not change that. Sorry.

And the key words are not a "5 years ago" Sergio, the keys are a "healthy" Sergio, which he wasn't that night. Cotto fans could talk **** all they want about how Martinez was overrated or didn't have a style to beat the invisible Cotto, the fact remains is he was fighting on bum knees. Sergio at his best is correctly favored over Cotto.

Yes, Trout didn't get dropped 3 times, but he also didn't have washed up knees, oh and he gave your hero Cotto a boxing lesson.

I never said that was a bad style either, it has nothing to do with me liking it or not. Go find some of my older posts, having Sergio's style is not a good thing when your aging and against a technically sound/well-schooled boxer like Cotto is. What do you think a boxer is going to do against anyone who drops their hands? Sergio didn't even do it that much in their fight he simply threw a lazy job and Cotto countered it with a left hook which just so happens to be Cotto's best punch.

I don't even know why you brought up Martinez being favored, he lost and I picked the other guy to win. It had nothing to do with health or an injury it was simply based off of styles. You can sit here and tell me a healthy Sergio would have won, whatever to help you deal with the loss but nothing I said was wrong. Sergio has always been easy to hit and he admitted his toughest fight was Kelly Pavlik who just so happened to be a high techincally trained fighter. He lost, but Cotto is levels above Pavlik in every aspect except size and even Sergio only outweighed Cotto by 5 pounds on fight night, he was taller but not much bigger. Either way, Cotto won you are just pissed because I think he always would have and after the beating Martinez took it just made me more confident of that.

[-Kev-]

Maybe because he had no interest of defending the title and told the WBC he had no intention of defending it and had it vacated a little after winning it?



And you're one of the worst haters. Bet you can't wait till Golovkin loses way down the line and you finally have a reason to celebrate knowing your life's goal of Golovkin losing is complete.

Anybody he fights is a bum in your eyes anyway, so what does it matter?

Seriously though, bringing up Cotto's weight when he started his career as a reason why the fight shouldn't happen is fucking ******ed, but I can see why you agree with it, so not really a surprise there

With overrating, naturally comes hating.

Golovkin is grossly overrated and I can't stand it. Yes, I would love nothing more than to see him lose to see his fans humble down and cross bandwagons like they did with Matthysse losing to Garcia, they said then Matthysse didn't stand a chance against Provodnikov, then Prov loses to a featherfisted boxer, and all attention is back to Golovkin. When Golovkin loses, all attention will be on Kovalev.

Overraters and bandwagon hoppers saying irrational things about who a fighter can beat, without the fighter ever fighting any one in the level of the fighter that his fans claim he can beat, can cause fans to turn on those fighters being over hyped.

See, for example, most Floyd fans agree that Floyd loses to SRL, on the other hand, many Golovkin fans feel that he can beat Marvin Hagler. Don't ask me to link you up, it's too old and it was after the Proksa fight. Something like 30+ votes for GGG and 50 for Hagler. I imagine those 30+ votes for GGG were the usual suspects.

[jcj0427]

I never said that was a bad style either, it has nothing to do with me liking it or not. Go find some of my older posts, having Sergio's style is not a good thing when your aging and against a technically sound/well-schooled boxer like Cotto is. What do you think a boxer is going to do against anyone who drops their hands? Sergio didn't even do it that much in their fight he simply threw a lazy job and Cotto countered it with a left hook which just so happens to be Cotto's best punch.

I don't even know why you brought up Martinez being favored, he lost and I picked the other guy to win. It had nothing to do with health or an injury it was simply based off of styles. You can sit here and tell me a healthy Sergio would have won, whatever to help you deal with the loss but nothing I said was wrong. Sergio has always been easy to hit and he admitted his toughest fight was Kelly Pavlik who just so happened to be a high techincally trained fighter. He lost, but Cotto is levels above Pavlik in every aspect except size and even Sergio only outweighed Cotto by 5 pounds on fight night, he was taller but not much bigger. Either way, Cotto won you are just pissed because I think he always would have and after the beating Martinez took it just made me more confident of that.

Thank you for practically saying nothing. Your argument is purely on the basis that Sergio was 100% healthy in there so theirs really not point. Pointing out specific events on how the fight played out isn't going to convince me that Cottos "well-schooled" boxing technique took over when Sergio was unable to impose his own style with bum knees.

Nothing you said was wrong? Keeping thinking that buddy. Martinez mentioned Pavlik was the hardest puncher he faced but the toughest fights was against The Punisher. Get your facts straight. And don't worry buddy, nobody is frustrated with Sergio because injuries happen in sports and we cant fault athletes for trying to work through them. Delusional Cotto fans are the ones I actually feel bad for because they can't seem to watch their hero's fights with a neutral eye.

P.S - GGG beats a healthy Sergio any day IMHO

[cruz1383]

[QUOTE=jcj0427;14793176]And the key words are not a "5 years ago" Sergio, the keys are a "healthy" Sergio, which he wasn't that night.

Its funny that Sergio and his doctors said that he was (healthy which i really didnt believe and thought it was just sergio being a man and taking his L until the MRI results) but i guess you know more from the computer you sit at then the doctors that took the MRI on the knee and deamed it "healthy".

to me i atribute the Loss to being off for so long and having ring rust also sergio doesnt start fast he has also had a shaky chin as of his late fights.