Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[kafkod]

See what you just did there Bill??

TYPICAL nut bag response...



OBVIOUSLY once you take into account the level of bloody opposition we find that both K's fought several times better opponents to achieve their records didn't they.

Oh but SKILLS and other attributes don't contribute at ALL to a boxing match do they!

Unbelievable!



Someone send this guy back to History!

One opponent Fury and the Klit bros have in common is Chisora, who went the distance with Vitali but was stopped in 10 by Fury.

[Elroy1]

One opponent Fury and the Klit bros have in common is Chisora, who went the distance with Vitali but was stopped in 10 by Fury.

Yes and I take that into account as well and credit Fury for that in my analysis.

And also for the record, I want to stress that I am not proposing that the record of Vitali and Fury are so far apart as the records of modern boxers and ancient ones..

Vitali and Fury's records are still comparable whereas ancient boxers are basically uncomparable to modern boxers records.

All I am saying is that the "complete" career quality of Vitali (and of course Wladimir) has been far better than Tyson Fury's.

And there should be no shame from the Fury camp in admitting this and I put it to that camp that any emotionally charged campaign to the contrary is in the realm of nut baggery.

[Elroy1]

Bill, I will concede to you half way on one point..

I can't use statistics to PROVE Fury is a featherfist.

And in fact despite his very weak punching style, his enormous size still affords him enough oomph to hurt comp.

But he clearly doesn't have any stopping power, in none of his fights do we see him canvas KO his opponents coldly.

You can't say the same thing about Wlad at all but you can probably level this accusation at Vitali.

However Vitali like Wladimir fought some of the heftiest opponents on record where as Tyson did not. Similarly with the quality of comp..

This is why I stress my MP_Theory and my TQA "Total Quality Assessment" taking into account all aspects. When you put it all together you CAN determine from first principles that Fury is among the weaker hitting of the elite HW's.

Please stop trolling me. You have a bunch of nut bags here to circle jerk with you- your in over your depth here Bill, big boys talking

[kiDynamite92]

Fury has more then enough power to knock Klitschko out. The thing about Fury is he rarely sets his feet, he doesn't want to trade, he wants to hit and move. Check out his pad-work sessions with his uncle and notice just how much more snap his punches have when he does plant his feet and load his punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoFWHMfY-6Y

Then watch his pad session when he was training for Klitschko and he was much more focused on movement and boxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QrWstJj10g

Klitschko has absolutely nothing to worry Tyson Fury. He's going to come out more aggressive in the rematch but all Fury has to do is sit back and wait for the counter and it will be goodnight for Klitschko. People are still holding onto the belief that Klitschko almost KO'd Fury in the 12th which is complete rubbish and I proved that in my earlier thread:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697018

Klitschko has nothing on Fury. He doesn't have the power to KO him, he doesn't have the skills to outbox him and he doesn't have the chin to beat him in a slug fest.

Tyson Fury is just superior to Klitschko and people need to accept that and move on.

[Elroy1]

You see this moron above me who isn't worth quoting?

No way does Tyson Fury have enough power to knock Klitschko out!

He just simply isn't a very powerful guy at all for his size.

Now let us suppose he did set his feet and all that right to get more power, he would no longer have any of the mobility at all to fight Wlad properly would he!

This KidDynamite is simply a joke and does Tyson Fury damage, not good!

[removed]

KidDynamite is just telling it how it is. Fury is simply a superior boxer to Wladimir Klitschko.

[Jewish-Reptile]

KidDynamite is just telling it how it is. Fury is simply a superior boxer to Wladimir Klitschko.

Even if he was a superior boxer Wlad has superior power, hence the reason 90 percent of the boxing world picked him in the first fight, and the same reason it is now viewed as a fifty fifty fight right now.

[billeau2]

Bill, I will concede to you half way on one point..

I can't use statistics to PROVE Fury is a featherfist.

And in fact despite his very weak punching style, his enormous size still affords him enough oomph to hurt comp.

But he clearly doesn't have any stopping power, in none of his fights do we see him canvas KO his opponents coldly.

You can't say the same thing about Wlad at all but you can probably level this accusation at Vitali.

However Vitali like Wladimir fought some of the heftiest opponents on record where as Tyson did not. Similarly with the quality of comp..

This is why I stress my MP_Theory and my TQA "Total Quality Assessment" taking into account all aspects. When you put it all together you CAN determine from first principles that Fury is among the weaker hitting of the elite HW's.

Please stop trolling me. You have a bunch of nut bags here to circle jerk with you- your in over your depth here Bill, big boys talking

I will stop trolling you when you leave the history section. And, technically I am not trolling you as I am presenting proof that your ideas are nonsense, which is why you are reduced to making that request. You have to concede a lot more than that...which is why you try to avoid the point and make up some more BS... For the record I don't claim to know where Fury compares to all heavyweights, but he certainly is not feather fisted and draws common level of opposition as Vlad.

[billeau2]

Even if he was a superior boxer Wlad has superior power, hence the reason 90 percent of the boxing world picked him in the first fight, and the same reason it is now viewed as a fifty fifty fight right now.

Technically we really don't know that. We do know that Vlad is a big puncher. But how can we know the extent of Fury's power when he has stopped a similar amount of opponents drawing from the same talent pool? What if Fury stops Wilder and or someone else similar? it would not be abhorrant considering what he has done in the division when we consider actual statistics. In fact, if we consider the series of shots when Vlad went spastic, Fury rocked Vlad with a big punch, thats an empirically validated fact, based on footage and not beliefs. So again, h0w can anyone say that Vlad has superior power to Fury?

[billeau2]

You see this moron above me who isn't worth quoting?

No way does Tyson Fury have enough power to knock Klitschko out!

He just simply isn't a very powerful guy at all for his size.

Now let us suppose he did set his feet and all that right to get more power, he would no longer have any of the mobility at all to fight Wlad properly would he!

This KidDynamite is simply a joke and does Tyson Fury damage, not good!

Sorry Junior the footage shows otherwise and kid dynamite gets green K for that post. Fury does indeed not set his feet to remain elusive and, when he chooses to showed he can rock Vlad. its already been shown Vlad was rocked...You see if you understood anythng about boxing you would know that there is nothing stopping a fighter from setting the feet to get more power when the situation dictates. in your incorrect analysis you see it as an "either/or" situation where Fury cannot set his feet because he is mainly fighting elusively, and, off his back leg, I may add.

Fury has the skills to plant and fire, otherwise he would not have such a stoppage percentage. Now if you want to concede that this is a weak division that makes the guys easy to stop....thats true, but according to your ****** theory these men are the pinicle of heavyweight godliness! So which one is it? Or, is Vlad fighting the truly evolved heavyweights? and the guys that Fury fights are they...the old time nut bags?

See you can't win can you Junior? Check Mate and match....stay out of history or i might sig this post to see how you just put yourself in an unwinnable position!