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Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread
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Originally posted by Dr.Eisenfaust View PostOrtiz, being 37 years old, moves incredibly well, he has amazing technique, is very very slick considering his size.
Fury ,almost surely, wouldn't dare switching ot southpaw more than a couple of minutes against Ortiz, he would get badly outboxed. Fighting orthodox, he would have to keep him at bay with jabs that wouldn't (fully) land. I can hardly imagine Fury hitting Ortiz with straight shots, he would have to lean forwards to land on him.
Ortiz, with his crazy 213cm reach, slickness and amazing Cuban technique, would give Fury headaches fighting in an ambush style. And at least, he is in shape contrary to Solis...
I would even say that Ortiz would have to make less adjusments against Fury than Klitschko.
Klitschko, at a certain point of this fight, will have to bring the energy he brought against Pulev, Wach and Haye. He'll have to stay very alert and literally go to war with Fury. He can definitely do it but he has a lot of adjustments to do.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Fury would make him look like an absolute amateur, crack open his face and retire him in 8 rounds.
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Originally posted by Calculating... View PostOr, Povetkin catches Fury like Cunningham did and he'll likely make Fury sleep unlike Cunningham
Like i said. Fury would be all business against Povetkin.
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Originally posted by Calculating... View PostOr, Povetkin catches Fury like Cunningham did and he'll likely make Fury sleep unlike Cunningham
Thats not to say it wouldn't be a decent scrap Fury against Povatkin. But the notion that Povatkin is a big puncher is rubbish... at least compared to Cunningham, who had some of the best chins in boxing on the ropes.
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Originally posted by denium View PostCunningham caught him because Fury was messing around in the ring with his hands down, shouting at him. Fury had no respect for Cunningham and he paid the price with a knockdown.
Like i said. Fury would be all business against Povetkin.
Want proof? Haye is little bigger and might be one of the few who punches harder.
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Originally posted by SlySlickSmooth View PostA decent amount. He's fought everyone from sub-200 pounds to 250+ in Primo Carnera.
The Bear brothers were tall guys with 80+ inch reach.
Louis is outweighed by 40+ pounds in this title defense against 29 year old Abe Simon.
I'm not dogging on Louis here, he was a great champion for his era, but the fact of the matter was that his era was composed mostly of light heavyweights and cruisers, and not very good ones at that. It was a totally different landscape. When Louis fought Conn there was something like a thirty pound gap between the two, or to put it more accurately a three division gap. That's like Wlad taking on Kovalev today. As good as Kovalev is that's just a monstrous size disparity.
Max Baer would have been a cruiserweight today.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostCunningham has a better punch than Povatkin. Povatkin fights a lot like his Eastern European fellow countrymen, a style I would characterize as somewhat mobile, an emphasis on activity, with very little head movement... yes Povatkin can bang a little better than most of these other fellows, BUT Cunningham is a puncher and punches a lot harder than Povatkin.
Thats not to say it wouldn't be a decent scrap Fury against Povatkin. But the notion that Povatkin is a big puncher is rubbish... at least compared to Cunningham, who had some of the best chins in boxing on the ropes.
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Originally posted by billeau2 View PostOne fellow Fury fan to another: stop making excuses for Fury against Cunningham. Did Fury get up? people are reasoning with a false premise: namely that because Cunningham is a cruiser his punch is not what a heavyweight punchers punch would be. In fact? Holyfield was probably at his most dangerous exclusively as a puncher when he was a criuser and Cunningham is probably one of the hardest punchers in the sport right now.
Want proof? Haye is little bigger and might be one of the few who punches harder.
Now there are cruisers who can definitely punch. Kudryashov for one, Makabu for another. Huck nearly knocked out Povetkin and his punching power isn't anything otherworldly in the current cruiserweight division. In fact there are six cruisers whose power would still be a factor at heavy: Kudryashov, Kalenga, Makabu, Chakhiev, Huck (already proven) and Lebedev.
Cunningham never distinguished himself at Cruiser the way these guys did. He was always a skill fighter, something he brought up the heavyweight division. That Fury was knocked down by him is definitely an embarrassment for Fury. That Fury was able to get up and beat his ass is not. That's what was impressive about the performance.
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Originally posted by beez721 View Postpovetkin isnt a monster one punch guy but he hits much harder than cunningham. I dont think its even close. cunningham may have more savvy but he certainly isnt a big puncher at all even as a cruiserweight let alone heavyweight. I agree that povetkin is hittable tho,,,espescially with the jab
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