Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[PainfromUkraine]

Fact of the matter is that Chisora never racked up 5-6 consecutive wins against European / Fringe world level (Malik Scott) opposition other than before Fury beat him. It was billed as a 50/50 fight, Fury went in there not having trained for 3 weeks, overweight and still beat the dogshyte out of him better than Vitali and Haye did.

But say Chisora was best when he fought Helenius. I've never seen him look better than that for instance. Who had just beaten him? Tyson Fury.

Chisora was considered a top 10 contender who had fought pretty much the who's who of the division. He had earned his ranked so to speak. Guys like Perez and Usitnov and 40 year old TT who Pulev looked awful against. I mean, it's not better than Dereck Chisora for sure.

Once again, not bugging anyone up - But those guys didn't even look good against the guys they were fighting. Fury does numbers on decent people.

I forgot the Scott fight, but in any case that had some controversy to it and Scott isn't exactly known for his heart...could well have come for the paycheck. Don't get me wrong, I actually was backing Chisora winning the 2nd fight with Fury, I was also looking at the paper statistics of him being on a good run, racking up wins and righting the wrongs of the first fight where he was out of shape.

As it was, those small signs he had lost something after the Haye/Vitali etc fights were obvious to see in Fury 2. It was easy, simply easy for Fury. I think any tall fighter that can keep at range and has a solid jab can comfortably beat Chisora right now.

Styles make fights, Chisora is tailor made for Fury to look good - especially current Chisora who seems to have lost some of his durability and looked a lot more gunshy and less willing to really have a go and try and get in on the inside and almost dirty-box as he has done in the past.

[LacedUp]

you two are funny.

before cunningham, earl hickey (mr america) was ****riding fury like no one else on this forum, he had both tyson and hughie in his avy and sig, and was saying all kinds of ******, delusional ****.

after the fight, when cunningham showed how great tyson fury really is, he was butt hurt as hell for weeks and then just disappeared

lacedup on the other hand, is a former biggest david price fan....i'll leave it at that.

the truth is, you guys are biased for your countrymen.

there's nothing wrong with that, it's normal, but it's annoying as hell when you call people who disagree with you delusional and say that they don't know **** about boxing.

and lacedup, i don't care how you scored the perez fight, the official result is: bryant jennings sd.

that's all i have to say about that.

Bringing another posters views on Fury is supposed to prove what exactly? clutching at straws.

Oh that's the truth. I have continuously criticized the likes of Khan, Towers, Price, Skeete, Chisora, Smith, even Haye over the last couple of years and used to do the same with Fury.

Let's flip it around then, what do Jenninggs and Pulev do better than Fury?

[Elroy1]

Chisora beat Malik Scott. Malik Scott made an absolute clown out of Leapie , winning every round by all accounts.
If Leapai is better than Frazier , what does that make Chisora?

Yeah Chisora is a good boxer. His record has taken a pounding but close inspection reveals he did much better than would otherwise be suggested by record.

As for Frazier! Of COURSE Chisora would easily obliterate him.

Simply look at them!

Now I get sick and tired of this Frazier bashing myself, honestly, but no amount of nostalgic ass kissing could ever help anybody's cause promoting Joe Frazier at modern HW. There is just no half decent HW boxer today that he could even really compete with in theory!

Aside from the fact that he would never be allowed a boxing licence today (because he was blind) and aside from the fact he would most likely never fight in the HW division anyway- the club level HW's he might theoreticlly be matched with would leave him totally obscure today.

But there's MORE!

Even in his OWN day, Joe Frazier would have merely been considered an interim champ of lesser renowned, only crowned really because of Muhammad Ali's hiatus.

Of course, after the very limited Frazier EXPOSED Ali as very easily beatable, lazy and reflexless boxer in their first fight, something very strange happened...

Instead of the obvious...

- Frazier wins title because of incredibly weak period of weak era
- Frazier beats Ali because Ali was really an overrated bum also
- Both Frazier and Ali were weak fighters, merely strong relative to their own era

We get some bizarre total truth reversal...

Instead, Ali is PRAISED for losing to Frazier and Frazier is PRAISED for beating Ali. Frazier's main fame point is fully reliant on his unimpressive Ali win.

Something similar is happening today too with Fury. Tyson is being praised on his "relatively" weak win over Chisora, as opposed to stronger wins of Klitschko and various other opponents.

[LacedUp]

I forgot the Scott fight, but in any case that had some controversy to it and Scott isn't exactly known for his heart...could well have come for the paycheck. Don't get me wrong, I actually was backing Chisora winning the 2nd fight with Fury, I was also looking at the paper statistics of him being on a good run, racking up wins and righting the wrongs of the first fight where he was out of shape.

As it was, those small signs he had lost something after the Haye/Vitali etc fights were obvious to see in Fury 2. It was easy, simply easy for Fury. I think any tall fighter that can keep at range and has a solid jab can comfortably beat Chisora right now.

Styles make fights, Chisora is tailor made for Fury to look good - especially current Chisora who seems to have lost some of his durability and looked a lot more gunshy and less willing to really have a go and try and get in on the inside and almost dirty-box as he has done in the past.

Well Malik Scott was favourite to win that fight. Chisora looked good in that fight, regardless if that fight was stopped a second early.

I don't think it's fair to say Haye/Vitali ruined Chisora when he came back and looked quite good.

[Szef]

Did you?

Jennings only found the stoppage when Spilka suddenly dropped both his hands down out of nowhere. Before that it was nip and tuck.

Spilka clearly only had half a fight in him. It was a 100% guy fighting a 50% guy.
Thats the second best win of his career. His best win was a losing effort until a point deduction put him ahead.
Bruce Seldon and Jesse Fuerguson were better than Jennings.

Szpilka won two rounds at best. He got knocked out because of his poor stamina which had always been his problem and still is. And it wasn't nip and tuck

Bringing another posters views on Fury is supposed to prove what exactly? clutching at straws.

Oh that's the truth. I have continuously criticized the likes of Khan, Towers, Price, Skeete, Chisora, Smith, even Haye over the last couple of years and used to do the same with Fury.

Let's flip it around then, what do Jenninggs and Pulev do better than Fury?

I was just pointing out Earl's hypocrisy.

I've told you two times already what they do better than Fury.

[SN!PER]

Just had a good laugh over this

[Fury4daWIN]

Resume doesn't mean squat on the night. Pulev had one of the best resumes of any Wlad opponent in a long time and got starched. Then Jennings comes along and gives Wlad fits. Fury doesn't need to have beaten a string of name opponents to give him a great chance in this fight; he needs to fight to his strengths and not allow Wlad to fight to his. That comes down to preparation, conditioning and confidence, the last two of which Fury has in spades, and by all the reports he's doing his damndest to make sure the first is covered as well.

[Elroy1]

Resume doesn't mean squat on the night. Pulev had one of the best resumes of any Wlad opponent in a long time and got starched. Then Jennings comes along and gives Wlad fits. Fury doesn't need to have beaten a string of name opponents to give him a great chance in this fight; he needs to fight to his strengths and not allow Wlad to fight to his. That comes down to preparation, conditioning and confidence, the last two of which Fury has in spades, and by all the reports he's doing his damndest to make sure the first is covered as well.

Yeah hey **** resume then...

We all know what the tools/strengths your referring to that you believe Fury can use...

Problem is, nobody has ever remotely troubled Wlad without at the very least a very hard single shot punch, and a strong chin.

Somehow it is a stretch of the imagination to think Fury can "out-box" Wladimir with rangy windmakers.

But you go ahead and bet on your man Fury and see what happens.

[Fury4daWIN]

Yeah hey **** resume then...

We all know what the tools/strengths your referring to that you believe Fury can use...

Problem is, nobody has ever remotely troubled Wlad without at the very least a very hard single shot punch, and a strong chin.

Somehow it is a stretch of the imagination to think Fury can "out-box" Wladimir with rangy windmakers.

But you go ahead and bet on your man Fury and see what happens.

Resumes are useful when gauging a fighter's overall level and rating them in a historical context. They're useless for comparing how fighters will do against a common opponent unless there is a vast disparity between them, which in the case of Fury, Pulev and Jennings, there is not.

You can argue whether beating Chisora was better or worse than beating Perez or Tony Thompson till the cows come home. It doesn't mean anything on fight night.

[billeau2]

Yeah Chisora is a good boxer. His record has taken a pounding but close inspection reveals he did much better than would otherwise be suggested by record.

As for Frazier! Of COURSE Chisora would easily obliterate him.

Simply look at them!

Now I get sick and tired of this Frazier bashing myself, honestly, but no amount of nostalgic ass kissing could ever help anybody's cause promoting Joe Frazier at modern HW. There is just no half decent HW boxer today that he could even really compete with in theory!

Aside from the fact that he would never be allowed a boxing licence today (because he was blind) and aside from the fact he would most likely never fight in the HW division anyway- the club level HW's he might theoreticlly be matched with would leave him totally obscure today.

But there's MORE!

Even in his OWN day, Joe Frazier would have merely been considered an interim champ of lesser renowned, only crowned really because of Muhammad Ali's hiatus.

Of course, after the very limited Frazier EXPOSED Ali as very easily beatable, lazy and reflexless boxer in their first fight, something very strange happened...

Instead of the obvious...

- Frazier wins title because of incredibly weak period of weak era
- Frazier beats Ali because Ali was really an overrated bum also
- Both Frazier and Ali were weak fighters, merely strong relative to their own era

We get some bizarre total truth reversal...

Instead, Ali is PRAISED for losing to Frazier and Frazier is PRAISED for beating Ali. Frazier's main fame point is fully reliant on his unimpressive Ali win.

Something similar is happening today too with Fury. Tyson is being praised on his "relatively" weak win over Chisora, as opposed to stronger wins of Klitschko and various other opponents.

Junior turn the tv off in the basement...Yu know how yu get when you watch too many partridge family reruns.