Canelo, the critics, the failure to realize:

[Beercules]

Yes, doesn't mean he can't beat them. He struggles cutting of the ring but we just saw him beat a very good boxer. Time will tell if he can improve.

Look at Marquez we all know he struggles when he has to force the action. The dude is a legend and has one of the greatest trainers in some time yet that's not his strength as a boxer.

Marquez can actually cut off the ring though, sure Canelo and Marquez throw some beautiful flowing combinations but hell, Marquez can press the action better than Canelo can.

Back to the trainers; I don't think Eddie and Chepo can teach Canelo a thing new. He's slightly improved, he should keep them in camp but he needs a world class head trainer.

Nacho/Garcia can improve Canelo. He's not going to get better under the Reynosos

[-Hyperion-]

I'm glad Lara lost for fighting like such an idiot.....but surely people know that Lara gave the fight away beacuse he took 0 risks and went too negative....right? I mean Canelo did the absolute minimum to get that decision.Shame that Lara will never be able to get over that ****ty mentality of taking no risks....he'll keep losing fights he should win

[damit305]

Lara disappointed but it does not mean he definitively lost the fight. Neither was the fight a robbery. After watching the fight twice I cannot give Canelo the win. The night of the fight I had it 115-113, I saw it earlier today and had it 116-112 Lara. This will come as no surprise to many but emotion and feel-good don't win rounds as a credible judge. Neither do you score ineffective aggression. Alvarez landed amazing body shots at times but also many of those landed on Lara's hip and where partially blocked.

Lara's defense and footwork which made Canelo miss and at times look ridiculous is severely overshadowed by the fact that he didn't "throw more".

In the end you score a fight round by round and 117-111 WAS a bias card from a fellow judge if not a corrupt one.

[Beater_of_ass]

Canelo has steadily been fighting guys more his size and has only looked "good" against an absolute shot punching bag. A one legged Martinez is 100x's the fighter that Angulo ever was especially the shot to **** version that Canelo fought. Before that he was completely shut out by Mayweather and could have lost to Trout and Lara. Yea, one could say they were all bad style matchups they weren't JWW and WW's.

There is a big difference between a 4 division champion like Cotto, who just beat down the MW champion and Canelo. Who, by the way, has had 3 catchweights, 3 bought off judges and hasn't looked great in 3 of his last 4 fights but the Cotto fans are the delusional ones lol.

[Dinamita 03]

Marquez can actually cut off the ring though, sure Canelo and Marquez throw some beautiful flowing combinations but hell, Marquez can press the action better than Canelo can.

Back to the trainers; I don't think Eddie and Chepo can teach Canelo a thing new. He's slightly improved, he should keep them in camp but he needs a world class head trainer.

Nacho/Garcia can improve Canelo. He's not going to get better under the Reynosos

Yeah you have a point that Marquez is more efficient and that's because he's got much better footwork. My point he's still not as good as when his opponent is pressing the fight and not the other way around.

Alvarez seems too loyal to dump his trainers he truly feels comfortable with them. I wouldn't mind seeing him with a guy like Garcia or even Roach.

[Beercules]

Lara lost the fight more than Canelo won it.


The fight was Lara's, he needed to let his hands to more to win convincingly.

[damit305]

Lara lost the fight more than Canelo won it.


The fight was Lara's, he needed to let his hands to more to win convincingly.

Great point! But this is not how fights are scored.

[B-Bomber]

Great point! But this is not how fights are scored.

I agree.

Lara was way too negative, no way to spin it.

With that said, if one scores the fight favoring the boxer , Lara won.

If one decides to penalize Lara for not committing enough, which is not part of the official criteria but still has an impact , then one can see it as a draw or a very, very close W for Canelo.

But Canelo's aggression wasn't effective, it wasn't even aggression in my opinion, he was literally following Lara.

Saul did not outwork Lara, they both threw little. He surely did not outbox Lara. He wasn't dictating the pace , so no ring generalship.

If Lara didn't do enough to win the fight in terms of aggression at least he still had the edge in defense, ring generalship and landed the cleanest punches.

To answer the TS (new) question about beating Canelo in a fight: probably not too many apart from GGG (and Chavez Jr if he can dehydadrate his arse back to 160 again, which I doubt), but it is rather irrelevant in my opinion.

Who can beat Provodnikov, Maidana or even Rios in a 'fight' around their weight classes?.

Even an aggressive fighter like Pac used speed and footwork to beat Rios, he wasn't there to trade bombs.

TS, no offense, but you remind me of Ruben Guerrero at times , although much more well spoken

[Erislandy lara]

I agree.

Lara was way too negative, no way to spin it.

With that said, if one scores the fight favoring the boxer , Lara won.

If one decides to penalize Lara for not committing enough, which is not part of the official criteria but still has an impact , then one can see it as a draw or a very, very close W for Canelo.

But Canelo's aggression wasn't effective, it wasn't even aggression in my opinion, he was literally following Lara.

Saul did not outwork Lara, they both threw little. He surely did not outbox Lara. He wasn't dictating the pace , so no ring generalship.

If Lara didn't do enough to win the fight in terms of aggression at least he still had the edge in defense, ring generalship and landed the cleanest punches.

To answer the TS (new) question about beating Canelo in a fight: probably not too many apart from GGG (and Chavez Jr if he can dehydadrate his arse back to 160 again, which I doubt), but it is rather irrelevant in my opinion.

Who can beat Provodnikov, Maidana or even Rios in a 'fight' around their weight classes?.

Even an aggressive fighter like Pac used speed and footwork to beat Rios, he wasn't there to trade bombs.

TS, no offense, but you remind me of Ruben Guerrero at times , although much more well spoken

I agree. Where was Canelo's aggression in the fight? All I saw was him getting outboxed all night. "The body shots doe" they mostly landed on his arm. I scored it 8-4 Lara and I am Mexican. In my opinion, Lara could have done better. He didn't throw enough. He could have easily dominated Nelo but it is what it is.

[ramses07]

I agree. Where was Canelo's aggression in the fight? All I saw was him getting outboxed all night. "The body shots doe" they mostly landed on his arm. I scored it 8-4 Lara and I am Mexican. In my opinion, Lara could have done better. He didn't throw enough. He could have easily dominated Nelo but it is what it is.

i hate when people say I am "insert nationality here " in order to validate their score.

anyway respect canelo's ambition to take on all fighters

probably needs a new trainer

and lara didnt throw enough because he didnt want to risk getting caught, otherwise he would've fought more like he did against angulo and trout.