Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 7/12/2014

[northstar]

I mean this pretty much nails it. Canelo had to take more chances, but so did Lara. In the end, it wasn't a good fight. Boring for my taste and I don't want to see a rematch.

Bring on Canelo vs Cotto. The young lion vs the old veteran.

My opinion before and after Canelo's fight with Lara is: Cotto takes a beating. You didn't hear that from me though lol.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

My opinion before and after Canelo's fight with Lara is: Cotto takes a beating. You didn't hear that from me though lol.

You mean Canelo gives Cotto a beating? I don't know, I think it will be determined how good Canelo can take Cotto's shots.

[northstar]

You mean Canelo gives Cotto a beating? I don't know, I think it will be determined how good Canelo can take Cotto's shots.

Yes lol! Canelo is a big JMW; Cotto not so much. There's a reason why Floyd fought Alvarez at a catch weight.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yes lol! Canelo is a big JMW; Cotto not so much. There's a reason why Floyd fought Alvarez at a catch weight.

True but Cotto will stand in the pocket and hit Canelo, that's the difference. Man, I love this fight style wise.

I have to give Cotto the edge in boxing and experience, and Canelo the edge in power, speed and youth.

We will see man, let's make it in Estadio Azteca, Baya doesn't like that though.

[northstar]

True but Cotto will stand in the pocket and hit Canelo, that's the difference. Man, I love this fight style wise.

I have to give Cotto the edge in boxing and experience, and Canelo the edge in power, speed and youth.

We will see man, let's make it in Estadio Azteca, Baya doesn't like that though.

You're right. He will stand in the pocket and hit Canelo, which would also put him in harms way; Cotto is very vulnerable to uppercuts.

It'll be interesting to see how fight negotiations go. I think they both do similar numbers in terms of ppv.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

You're right. He will stand in the pocket and hit Canelo, which would also put him in harms way; Cotto is very vulnerable to uppercuts.

It'll be interesting to see how fight negotiations go. I think they both do similar numbers in terms of ppv.

Yea that's why I said it will be interesting to see how Canelo can take his shots. We know Cotto has a good chin, and has been battle tested, Canelo not so much.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Thanks man I really appreciate that and I try and study the game. Boxing is so complex, people think it's one thing and then it turns into something completely different when you become a trainer. As a boxer I thought I knew about boxing, I just knew how to fight...if that makes any sense.

Now I'm actually learning about the sport.

Go to 6:37 and watch as Canelo slips the left, then tries the right hand but Trout ducks it. Trout had been doing that in all of the previous rounds, so in an instant, he slips the right and changes it to an uppercut. That's more than instinct, that's learning and setting traps.

If it was muscle memory, he would continue throwing the right hand, instead he throws the upper cut.

Got o 4:23 where he lands an uppercut from distance. That's a dangerous punch, because it's just like throwing a right hook. You are wide open for a counter left cross, or left hook from an orthodox fighter. If you watch though, he leads him into the shot, so it's not risky. Can't teach that. He also sets it up with this little feint from the left hand, which he just flicks out occasionally.

There's another uppercut that is the best punch of the fight from Canelo, even better than the knock down. I can't find it because the person who made the video only has a few rounds. It's a thing of beauty, he actually throws the punch to a spot where Trout's head isn't even there yet.

Music is terrible whoever made the video...lol

That's some nice work. Thanks for guiding me through it. I especially liked your first example. The second was very subtle. Good stuff. I learned years ago that uppercuts shouldn't be delivered from a distance. I think that's how Frazier put Ali down once.

Boxing is like anything else: there's a lot more than meets the eye. To the uninitiated, it looks like these guys are just winging punches. Persons such as yourself see so much more. It must be a pleasure for you to watch certain guys fight. Anytime you learn a fair amount about something, it becomes so much more enjoyable.

[BoxPrep]

I have watched it 3 times now and let me address how absolutely absurd your logic is, and don't get offended because I'm not trying to be a di.ck.

First off, Berto and anyone else can have an opinion if you can. Joe Goosen, another one who thought Canelo won, who knows more about boxing than you and I have forgotten.

Second, judging is SUBJECTIVE. This isn't a mathematical equation as you are making it out to be. There are rules and guidelines as to how you should judge a fight, but different people hold some over others.

For example, if a boxer lands 15 jabs in a round, then in that same round, the other fighter lands one hard shot that seems to stun that fighter, who do you give the round to?

Canelo isn't going to take shots needlessly like Angulo, because Canelo knows he can box with Lara. Before you say Lara clearly out boxed him, Lara clearly defended well against Canelo, but he didn't land enough, nor was he aggressive enough in his counter punching to win that fight.

I have no issue with you having scored it for Lara, but to say it was a robbery, does you a disservice and takes away all credibility from you. I been in this game for a long time, I have seen many robberies, and this was not one of them.

Great for Berto... He also said he could beat Mayweather. Great for Goosen, I mean, we all know how he only trains technical boxers like Mayweather, Lara, Rigo, etc... Never knew how savvy a boxer John Molina is. Matter of fact, he says he picked Canelo because he always likes the aggressor, yet in his opinion he says Lara didn't KD or hurt Canelo.... wait when did Canelo KD or hurt Lara? Right, he didn't.

I completely understand that it's subjective, but in this instance, what is there to base giving certain rounds to Canelo? Again, it wasn't effective pressure, look at Angulo vs Lara for a definition of effective pressure. And I'm only using effective pressure because everyone that says it isn't a robbery is using that weak stance for reasoning as to why Lara lost while conveniently leaving out the fact that Lara could do what he wanted in there undeterred and controlled the pace of the fight.

As far as your thoughts that Canelo "knows" he could box with Lara, we both know that isn't true. If he could box with Lara, he wouldn't have taken Trout approach to just follow him around the ring (while being even less active than Trout was). If he could box him, he would have baited Lara in and set traps, but he didn't, he was following the carrot.

Look, you're saying that Lara had to do more. Canelo threw an average of two more punches a round than Lara and landed less. Why didn't Canelo do more? Tell me, what did Canelo do in terms of Lederman's scoring criteria that was better than Lara? Rewatch the fight when it's available.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Great for Berto... He also said he could beat Mayweather. Great for Goosen, I mean, we all know how he only trains technical boxers like Mayweather, Lara, Rigo, etc... Never knew how savvy a boxer John Molina is. Matter of fact, he says he picked Canelo because he always likes the aggressor, yet in his opinion he says Lara didn't KD or hurt Canelo.... wait when did Canelo KD or hurt Lara? Right, he didn't.

I completely understand that it's subjective, but in this instance, what is there to base giving certain rounds to Canelo? Again, it wasn't effective pressure, look at Angulo vs Lara for a definition of effective pressure. And I'm only using effective pressure because everyone that says it isn't a robbery is using that weak stance for reasoning as to why Lara lost while conveniently leaving out the fact that Lara could do what he wanted in there undeterred and controlled the pace of the fight.

As far as your thoughts that Canelo "knows" he could box with Lara, we both know that isn't true. If he could box with Lara, he wouldn't have taken Trout approach to just follow him around the ring (while being even less active than Trout was). If he could box him, he would have baited Lara in and set traps, but he didn't, he was following the carrot.

Look, you're saying that Lara had to do more. Canelo threw an average of two more punches a round than Lara and landed less. Why didn't Canelo do more? Tell me, what did Canelo do in terms of Lederman's scoring criteria that was better than Lara? Rewatch the fight when it's available.

Canelo could box in the sense that he moved forward defensively responsible, used feints to make Lara reset and actually landed some jabs. If that wasn't case Lara wouldn't have moved corner to corner second guessing his attack. Hence the running accusations.

Also, it's downright ****** to bring up the 4 criterias in a fight where both fighters were inconsistent and the bold is about the most inaccurate shit said pertaining to this fight. It's seems you need to watch it again or have your eyes checked at the very least.

[BoxPrep]

Canelo could box in the sense that he moved forward defensively responsible, used feints to make Lara reset and actually landed some jabs. If that wasn't case Lara wouldn't have moved corner to corner second guessing his attack. Hence the running accusations.

Also, it's downright ****** to bring up the 4 criterias in a fight where both fighters were inconsistent and the bold is about the most inaccurate shit said pertaining to this fight. It's seems you need to watch it again or have your eyes checked at the very least.

Not inaccurate at all... the only reason people are saying Lara lost was because of Canelo "bringing the pressure" and "trying to make the fight" couple with Lara "well, Lara did all this trash talking before the fight on social media." Canelo followed Lara around the ring not even throwing anything and there were several moments where He just stared at Lara when Lara did stand in front of him or lean against the ropes. After watching the replay, I could only had rounds 4, 7, 8, and 9 for Canelo. Canelo fought Lara's fight and he lost.