Comments Thread For: Canelo: Mexican Boxing School Way Better Than Cuban

[DondiNeverLeft]

You are another ignorant, so let me get this; Cubans take their boxer to a place where they fight for a lot of years and then when they are 30 years old the government unleashing them to the poor little kids of the world, right? Again check their age when winning their first medal and do your homework and learn...

Age? Okay then.looks like someone unleashed you before they gave you a brain.

[garfios]

The reality is this.

Mexico is a big country with many boxers as boxing is a very popular sport. There are two types of fighters in Mexico, the one's fighting to eat, and the one's that have the potential to make it big and be great.

Cuban boxers, by the time they get to the U.S, are usually over 28 years old and are the BEST the island has produced. So of course you will see guys like Lara, Gamboa and Rigo have incredible success early on against lesser competition.

It's the same with Eastern European countries as well, you only see the best they have to offer fighting over here. So don't just think every Russian or Ukrainian can just fight.

There's no doubt that Mexicans in the past have gone to Cuba and learned from the great Cuban teachers in the sport. Even Robert Garcia's dad said he read many of the great Cuban trainers manuals and learned from them.

Saying that, I do think there's a huge fault in Cuban boxing, and it ties in with the success of Puerto Rico. PR used to be a much better nation in the amateurs, then it turned into a force in the pro's....why?

Simple, because PR wasn't shackled by communism and Castro and therefore the fighters saw the opportunities to make money in the pro game. Training for 12 rounds is different than training for 4. And just because you are successful at the amateur level, doesn't mean you will be at the pro level.

Mexico over many decades has learned what it takes to be successful at the pro level, and tailored it's schools for that style. The great Cullo Hernandez showed how you can attack, come forward but do it intelligently and with great defense. Nacho has carried on that tradition.

While I respect the Cuban style, and think it's beautiful to watch, I also think that IF Cuba becomes part of the free world one day, the same system that helped it's boxing, when gone, will also make it less dominant. Communism has made great athletes in Cuba, if it becomes more like the west, we will see that decline and it will join the rest of the Caribbean in level of competition.

While I agreed with most of your post I have to disagree in one little remark, we have great athletes before castro and we still have great success and some how dominant after, actually we seeing now, Cuba doesn't have the same resources and still producing athletes like Puig, Abreu, Iglesias. Forestal, Ramirez, Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Lara, etc... Cuba lost the help of the eastern block over 20 years ago and continue to have success on the international scene, castro didn't make the athletes they were born that way like in any other country.

[LouIE G]

I thought you knew better, the Kid Chocolate name rings a bell? Because he was the second World Champion from Latin America after al brown, and he was well known in the whole World, he was the original party animal (if my memory serve me well, he was the first Hispanic to win Belts in to different weight division, 130 first and 126 later, back when their were only 8 divisions) after him others like Black Bill, Kid GAvilan, Luis M. Rodriguez (ali learned a lot from this kid), Paret, Fernandez, Tunero, Ultiminio Ramos, Jose Legra, Mantequilla and a few others, then everything stopped in 1959, 50+ years later we here again and some generations don't know $h1t about Cubans athletes or Cubans in general...

Where were cuban fighters back in 88,89 the 90's they were non existent in the pro ranks because they could not escape cuba to get here, so again i say mexican fighters have been dominating the pro ranksfor decades before a fighter named kid chocolate won a belt in 2012!

[whoseyourdaddy]

Molina the Rapist got a gift draw doing wrestling not boxing if you want to say thats what the mexican boxing school is about I have a feeling more than a few mexi boxing fans would take issue with you. Also I said Lara Smashed their faces worse not that he beat them both by a wider margin dumb dumb your reading comprehension skills are dreadful. Like canelo said himself he only went to school Cubans have a well established Phd boxers university

you talking about hugging? When Richard Ablril doubles or triples Molina on that department, him and Titere, Hopkins are amongst the most boring fighters in the world but Abril is the king omong those three.

[garfios]

Age? Okay then.looks like someone unleashed you before they gave you a brain.

Is that your response? Ok, check how old they are when they win their first medal, is it better?

[icha]

Actually kid azteca was the one that put mexico on the boxing map, not only mexico adore him but Cubans too...

i know, but in terms of being popular at least in mexico el puas was insane, i guess had to do a lot that he was from tepito... imagine how big of a draw el puas will be today... that kind of charisma only a few are born with it...

[garfios]

Where were cuban fighters back in 88,89 the 90's they were non existent in the pro ranks because they could not escape cuba to get here, so again i say mexican fighters have been dominating the pro ranksfor decades before a fighter named kid chocolate won a belt in 2012!

Son Peter Quillan is not the real Kid Chocolate, google this name Eligio Sardiñas the real one, you have to learn boy...

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

While I agreed with most of your post I have to disagree in one little remark, we have great athletes before castro and we still have great success and some how dominant after, actually we seeing now, Cuba doesn't have the same resources and still producing athletes like Puig, Abreu, Iglesias. Forestal, Ramirez, Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Lara, etc... Cuba lost the help of the eastern block over 20 years ago and continue to have success on the international scene, castro didn't make the athletes they were born that way like in any other country.

You haven't lost the culture or structure of your athletic schools though. In Cuba, they still dream of being stars in the Olympics, this lends itself to producing, or at least finding, the best athletes for the appropriate sport.

When you live in a country like Mexico and the U.S, many more athletes slip though the cracks so to speak. Think about how many great Mexican fighters have gone on to shine shoes, or sell chocolate in tourist areas because there's no option for them to attend a gym.

My point is that in Cuba you have great athletes, that can't be denied. At the same time, the system that oppresses you, is the same one that brought Cuba to the forefront in terms of athletic achievement.

It's harsh, but true. The same reason East Germany was dominant, as well the USSR. If Cuba no longer has that, it will fall in line with the rest of the Caribbean.

Not saying Cuba still won't produce great boxers, of course it will. It just won't be a machine of talent the way it once was.

[VAGAB0ND]

Its also very important to take into consideration population

Mexico has 120.8 million people to Cuba's 11.27

So per capita Mexico should have 10.7 times more Hall of Famers' and current champions than what Cuba does...

Do they? I'm not sure... Also take into consideration Castro's ban on professional sports.

PR literally per population is the beast in terms of boxing... A tiny island of 3.6 million to Mexico's 120.8 million

So to be as good as PR mexico would have to have 33.5 times more Hall of Famers' and current champions that what PR does...

Boom! Simple as that

Texas should produce more champs than Rhode Island no???

My favorite excuse that Cubans and Puerto Ricans come up with, . The United States has 317 million people. China has 1.3 billion people. Why does Mexico have more champs?

[garfios]

i know, but in terms of being popular at least in mexico el puas was insane, i guess had to do a lot that he was from tepito... imagine how big of a draw el puas will be today... that kind of charisma only a few are born with it...

And the fights where on free tv, ABC, CBS, etc... El puas was something else, another one that I love was from USA but his parents were mexicans, bobby chacon!!