Mayweather vs Maidana II POST FIGHT DISCUSSION

[radioraheem]

Like I said in that thread, people on here would have hated Ali.

He moved a lot. And held a lot aswell.

I imagine not many here have seen the second Frazier fight.

I totally agree.

[LA_2_Vegas]

I just wish Floyd could have won the fight without Bayless being so ridiculous. I though the way Mayweather recovered effectively was great and I would have rather seen the fight play out with that as the narrative rather than leaving the fight with the image of Bayless contributing to a disjointed fight and effort from both fighters. The fight was seriously heating up before the ref's over involvement. I don't care about the holding - he had an excuse, he was hurt. And not only that, it's been shown to be effective against Marcos so some of that rests with Maidana. But they weren't always all the way tied up. Floyd can handle himself there too so no need to get all in the mix ref. Anyway, maybe not the best night for Mayweather, but he did good to recover and rely on his d even when hurt. This matchup could have produce more fireworks, but it's def better that Floyd just moves on now

Fighting someone like Maidana at that age will test your desire to want to do still do this, he looked a little down on himself afterward so I wonder what he's thinking. I'll be looking forward to hearing him give some interviews and hear his thoughts when he puts more time behind him

[billeau2]

Like I said in that thread, people on here would have hated Ali.

He moved a lot. And held a lot aswell.

I imagine not many here have seen the second Frazier fight.

Floyd did a lot more than "hold a lot." the culmulative effect of floyd's actions were such that he made sure his opponent had gloves that were less effective, a referee that took out many elements of Chino's game....any inside fighters game....a giant ring designed to work against Chino....and you have been so quick to talk about the absurdity of people who think Chino won....But how about the absurdity of the punch stat numbers?

A case can be made that Chino won early rounds, the twelfth round and a few more...Floyd did miss a lot and the point deduction was ridiculous.

Now....Yu can ridicule people who have a different opinion about the fight...BUt don't make it appear like Ali, who did frequently in his later years get favorable treatment....did the same TOTAL manupulation of a fight that Floyd achieved in this fight, because that is more ridiculous than asserting that Chino won this fight.

Read my posts I have always mantained a respect for Floyd's ability but he crossed a line this last fight. This fight was a fix because there was no way for Chino to win given the setup. EVEN Chino's own corner did not seem to come to his defense while he was getting robbed on the inside....Floyd is a protected fighter at this point, yes he is ATG but he is not fighting with any but the most remote possbaility of a loss.

[WhenWeWereKings]

I feel like I've read most of this thread but..

Why haven't people freaked out more about the tooth flying outa Floyd's head?
What a moment! I hadn't noticed it until somebody posted it on youtube.
Never seen it caught on camera like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0qE_APj4u4


badass.

[Doctor_Tenma]

so, being in the ring with duran is the same as being in the ring with maidana? great, so that means that floyd is at leonard's level?

How did that fly over you?

[WhenWeWereKings]

A lot of the fanboys here weren't even alive. Some don't even know who the hell you're talking about and would probably enter the convo with "Floy b duckin him doe".

Ali threw with bad intentions. The old Floyd did too. This Floyd talks mean but takes heat off his punches because of his bad hands. Kinda like how Tiger stopped trying to drive the ball 400 yards because of his bad back.

I just watched a couple rounds right now of Ali Frazier 2 because of the reference. I think the clinching thing is defendable.... except when it's not. I think it was Dstyleboxing who had a rant recently about how boxing would basically be impossible without clinching and that it's an accepted part of an outboxer's repetoire at this point- like, why else would they get in the ring with a murderer like Maidana unless you can hug him after he's knocked the teeth out of your face. Seems fair to me... except that Floyd reaches out and grabs Chino. You can't do that. I think it's more forgivable if a defensive guy like Mayweather has just been rocked and grabs as a punctuation to having LOST A SEQUENCE(sorta like saying, 'Ok, dude. you got that one. Give me a sec, here[pant, pant, hack, hack]). Ali mostly doesn't grab a guy IN FRONT OF HIM BEFORE AN EXHANGE STARTS. It's just against the rules, period. Stephen Edwards defended it- his reasoning being Maidana is one of the craziest fighters out there, meanest, most dangerous, etc. and that Floyd was ok to bend or break that rule because Maidana fights 'like an animal'. Not sure if I agree with his logic but I get it. If you watch Maidana stop Cayo you can basically see what would've happened to Floyd in either the first or the second fight if Maidana had had the gloves of his choice and Smoger had reffed it. I mean, Maidana is mean as F@## in that fight. Just like Kovalev and Golovkin. Except that Cayo, at that point, was probably more highly regarded than Kov's or GGG's recent competition. Chino is throwing an angled uppercut that slices through Cayo's guard and crunches his face at a really f@#$#E up angle. It's thrown like he's trying to kill him. And the body shot that stops the fight is mean as hell too. Maybe they should just make meanness illegal.

To me, it comes down to this-
When Murderers(Maidana, Matthysse, Valero, Golovkin, Kovalev, Tyson, Katsidis)
Face Dancers(Casamayor, Mayweather, Cayo, Alexander) Dancers should clinch to avoid getting KO'd in the moment they've almost been stopped. I think the public instinctively wants a fighter to hold on both figuratively and literally. The public doesn't want either fighter, really, to be embarrassed or killed. They also don't want the fight to end. So grab the motherf@@@@@ before you get knocked the f#@# out.

I think Evander held Tyson preemptively, against the spirit of the sport. Katherine Dunn, the sometime boxing writer, haunted boxing forums for years saying this same thing but people never responded much. I think Garcia did the same thing against Matthysse and I think it happened in this last Mayweather fight. I think the difference is that the public doesn't really care at this point if fighters follow the rules or not because they don't really know or care about the rules or how they affect the fight they're watching. I think the simple fix to outboxers preemptively grabbing a mean mother!@#$!@ is to act like Tony Weeks and let 'em fight it out.

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd did a lot more than "hold a lot." the culmulative effect of floyd's actions were such that he made sure his opponent had gloves that were less effective, a referee that took out many elements of Chino's game....any inside fighters game....a giant ring designed to work against Chino....and you have been so quick to talk about the absurdity of people who think Chino won....But how about the absurdity of the punch stat numbers?

A case can be made that Chino won early rounds, the twelfth round and a few more...Floyd did miss a lot and the point deduction was ridiculous.

Now....Yu can ridicule people who have a different opinion about the fight...BUt don't make it appear like Ali, who did frequently in his later years get favorable treatment....did the same TOTAL manupulation of a fight that Floyd achieved in this fight, because that is more ridiculous than asserting that Chino won this fight.

Read my posts I have always mantained a respect for Floyd's ability but he crossed a line this last fight. This fight was a fix because there was no way for Chino to win given the setup. EVEN Chino's own corner did not seem to come to his defense while he was getting robbed on the inside....Floyd is a protected fighter at this point, yes he is ATG but he is not fighting with any but the most remote possbaility of a loss.

I'm not making it appear like Ali.

I'm just highlighting to Floyd isn't the only fighter who's fought off the back foot and held a lot in a fight.

Talking about the fight as it were close is something I'm not even going to entertain in a serious level.

[shutup&box]

SickOfTBE LOSER!

I for one am sick of that naked assed bubble bath pretty boy may weather. I don't know about any of y'all, but I am sick of hearing about everybody in the media kissing his naked bubble bath ass. I am sick of every kiss ass fan enabling his pretty floydy ass. I am sick of listening to this pretty naked assed bubble bath TBE@ talking his way out of the truth..and getting away with it. One can argue with my perception, go on; you can try to talk your way into delusion forever; it doesn't matter to the truth. Because the fact of the matter is that pretty boy floydy holds, clinches and elbows every single dam time his opponent gets a split second shot at throwing a legal punch. He dumb's it down all over the place, and gets away with it. But the science of the matter is that pretty boy is TBE@ horse manuring his way into false greatness. It's all good that he has a highly skilled defense, yes; but to ride your bicycle, and clinch and hold in order to thwart your opponent's offense is pure chicken excrement at it's finest. For Bayless to allow this holding for the whole dam 12 rounds makes him NOW the newest member of floydy's paid-off, brown nosed entourage. Shame on you, Bayless. YES, Chino bit him! Because naked assed bubble bath floydy had Chino's head in a headlock! Seriously, what the hell is wrong with every single officiating authority who has eyes to see the slow-mo replay? Dam! What the hell is wrong with every single person watching the same exact TBE holding, clinching, elbowing, bike riding in pretty boy's "greatness"?? YES, Chino sometimes hits below the belt and fights dirty, too, yes; and HE GETS POINTS taken AWAY. (LIke Against Kahn, remember??) My point is, truth don't care how much he lies to himself about how great and humble and rich and classy may weather claims to the whole world that he is..because bottom line is he aint rich in the true meaning of the word, at all. SMH.

[etw926]

I for one am sick of that naked assed bubble bath pretty boy may weather. I don't know about any of y'all, but I am sick of hearing about everybody in the media kissing his naked bubble bath ass. I am sick of every kiss ass fan enabling his pretty floydy ass. I am sick of listening to this pretty naked assed bubble bath TBE@ talking his way out of the truth..and getting away with it. One can argue with my perception, go on; you can try to talk your way into delusion forever; it doesn't matter to the truth. Because the fact of the matter is that pretty boy floydy holds, clinches and elbows every single dam time his opponent gets a split second shot at throwing a legal punch. He dumb's it down all over the place, and gets away with it. But the science of the matter is that pretty boy is TBE@ horse manuring his way into false greatness. It's all good that he has a highly skilled defense, yes; but to ride your bicycle, and clinch and hold in order to thwart your opponent's offense is pure chicken excrement at it's finest. For Bayless to allow this holding for the whole dam 12 rounds makes him NOW the newest member of floydy's paid-off, brown nosed entourage. Shame on you, Bayless. YES, Chino bit him! Because naked assed bubble bath floydy had Chino's head in a headlock! Seriously, what the hell is wrong with every single officiating authority who has eyes to see the slow-mo replay? Dam! What the hell is wrong with every single person watching the same exact TBE holding, clinching, elbowing, bike riding in pretty boy's "greatness"?? YES, Chino sometimes hits below the belt and fights dirty, too, yes; and HE GETS POINTS taken AWAY. (LIke Against Kahn, remember??) My point is, truth don't care how much he lies to himself about how great and humble and rich and classy may weather claims to the whole world that he is..because bottom line is he aint rich in the true meaning of the word, at all. SMH.

[billeau2]

I'm not making it appear like Ali.

I'm just highlighting to Floyd isn't the only fighter who's fought off the back foot and held a lot in a fight.

Talking about the fight as it were close is something I'm not even going to entertain in a serious level.

There was NO way that this fight could be close given all the machinations involved.