Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

Its a double edged sword for Manny fans because when they boast that he DESTROYED guys and built a legacy as a monster slayer, it welcomes criticism and baseless PED accusations. Thing is, did Manny really destroy much bigger guys? Bit if a myth if you ask me.

Its easier to "destroy" opponents when they aren't at their best or the best in their division.

During this run, the only prime fighter Manny beat up above 140 was Cotto. Oscar, Margs and Shane were on one leg and he didnt destroy Clottey. So yeah

[miniq]

Pac could make 140 still if he really wanted to...no problems.


140 pounds for a cut 35 year old 5'6" Filipino is normal...

Lots of the steroids allegations came from the crazy flom0's and Floyd himself being in denial that Pacquiao could come from sub 120 pounds pounds to then beat up a fighter like Cotto....

It's never been Pacquiao's speed, power, skill etc etc that is responsible for his success it's them steriods (lol)

Same goes for Floyd...his phenomenal defence and skill aren't responsible for his victorys...them roids he is popping are (facepalm)

For me it always seems to be the fighters that nobody suspects pop up to be the cheats. Wouldn't surprise me if Porter popped up with a failed test...Marquez has probably been on something since he hooked up with Heredia.

[Build That Wall]

who do you guys think paulie's bscene username is?

you know he has one.

I believe Ellerbe has an account to. Remember he said he reads boxingscene.

[djtmal]

A floyd fan didn't start this thread djtmal, a Manny fan did. No one mentioned 2005.

We agree they are both at fault and we also agree it started when Manny refused to take tests for no good reason-tests both fighters were going to take.

Accept it and move on.

No it didn't "start" when manny refused testing. Thats the part you need to get off.
All of you.

It started when the Mayweather's wanted to implement their own set of rules in a sport that has it own government. Pacquaio's response was the result of that. Cause and effect at its purest form. He had every reason in the world to tell him to go F### himself.

You say they are both at fault, but also in the same breath want people to wholeheartedly agree that all of this is behind Pacquaio's stance on an issue that the Mayweather's were trying to force on him. Both sides at fault and everybody is good and can move on but please no more side addendums about Pacquaio refusing tests, thats when you sound like a biased hypocrite.

[Zano-24]

I would say his performance in 2009 and part of 2010 was very shady and the fact that he refused to take blood and urine test just to fight Mayweather was a red flag as well. I don't think people understand how odd that is but they make excuses on why he didn't want to take it. Just remember that Freddy Roach out of his own mouth stated that Ariza was very shady and he didn't trust what he was giving Manny. So even Freddy was under the assumption that Manny was on something during those times which we can assume that this is why he didn't allow Manny to take those test. One thing we realize is that Manny looked his absolute best in 2009 and then a year later he looked like he was slowing down a lot. But the timing was also very shady because around this time Manny started going out in public stating he was willing to take these Olympic style testing then all of a sudden his performances were going in a downward spiral. I don't think people were catching on to that. I honestly believe he was on drugs but a lot of other fighters were probably on them as well.

[The Big Dunn]

No it didn't "start" when manny refused testing. Thats the part you need to get off.
All of you.

It started when the Mayweather's wanted to implement their own set of rules in a sport that has it own government. Pacquaio's response was the result of that. Cause and effect at its purest form. He had every reason in the world to tell him to go F### himself.

You say they are both at fault, but also in the same breath want people to wholeheartedly agree that all of this is behind Pacquaio's stance on an issue that the Mayweather's were trying to force on him. Both sides at fault and everybody is good and can move on but please no more side addendums about Pacquaio refusing tests, thats when you sound like a biased hypocrite.

Manny did that with the 10 mil per lb overweight penalty. Floyd said ok and then asked for testing. is that cause and effect?

There is nothing wrong with asking Manny to take the same tests he was going to take. If he had asked Manny to take them and not him, then you'd have a valid complaint.

Me pointing out Manny refusing to take tests isn't bias, it's truth and fact. You know this so you try and make floyd at fault for asking they both test. That's ridiculous.

You keep trying to defend the indefensible. There wasn't then and isn't now a plausible reason for that decision that doesn't make the actions look su****ious.

[soul_survivor]

there is evidence, the mayweathers have it but they're being nice to pac so they wont release it. its why pac is too scared to fight them.

[Boxing Goat]

Non that I know of other than the thinking that he moved up in weight and carried his power.

-Never failed a test.

-Never had acne breakouts as a pro.

-Never been scared to death to face Floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

Ellerbe is The Big Dunn, isn't he?

I can confirm I am not ellerbe.

[takingaim]

you can say the same exact thing about floyd. both started at 106lbs. the only difference is floyd turned amateur while pacquiao turned professional. plenty of other fighters have gone through divisions in more staggering fashion than what pacquiao did too.

Big difference between amateur and pro. Floyd started at 130 as a pro. As he's gone up in weight, the fights have become harder (notice how in his earlier days in the lower divisions he had power, but his last genuine KO came in 2007 against Hatton, then before that in 2005?). His power is less effective now because he's fighting bigger, stronger guys.