Wladimir Klitschko's Resume

[Elroy1]

They need to be Americans to be accepted, pure and simple.

Lennox Lewis cops the same abuse because of his nationality.
"Oh he ducked Prime Tyson"
"Oh he never faced prime Holyfield"

This is the level of bias we're facing.

Yep and unfortunately WK and VK get it even worse than Lennox. Lennox was still black and British so he only copped half the abuse compared with the Ukranians...

White.. Slavic, from a former Commie and enemy country. What hope did they have?

Think about it from the nutbags point of view..

For 150 years, the HW crown, their biggest glory in all of sports was held in the home land.

Eastern BLOC collapses. Borders open, former Soviet fighters enter the competition in reasonable numbers around 2000.

Before long, all of their HW champions are knocked off, the centre focus of the HW championship boxing is uprooted from American soil and the flag replanted in Germany on the other side of the world after 150 years of dominance.

I can't blame the nutbags for being upset.

But instead of trying to win it back, instead of supporting their best prospects, they try to bash the champ by rubbishing his accomplishments and the era his dominates and maintain the superiority of eras past where they were champions. Mostly consisting of champs and boxers who would not even be professional boxers today, or even HW boxers at all, and mediocre ones at best!

It's sickening really, and the rest of the world like where I live, can't understand how so many ppl can be so absolutely ****** to believe it!

It's bad for boxing, makes us all look like idiots compared to fans of other sports.

Maybe if the OTNB's home fighters spent more time training than listening to rap music they'd do a lot better!

The current champs simply come from a more serious and disciplined society.

[Elroy1]

I wonder what Tony Thompson would say about being labelled a bum opponent by OTNB's for WK,

when someone like Ali got to defend against George Chuvalo, a 34-11 bum who came off a loss against an 11-2 191 lb cruiser bum.

I wonder what Samuel Peter would say about being labelled a bum..

when someone like Ali got to defend against a 195lb cruiser 30% KO ratio featherfist in Karl Mildenberger who earned his shot by beating a 13-9 182lb cruiser bum. An opponent Ali claimed was a tougher opponent than FRAZIER!

And speaking of him.. I wonder what Alexander Povetkin, who had a stellar/extensive amatuer pedigree, who was undefeated and a strong natural HW and had never been KD in over 300 fights, would have to say about being labelled a bum,

when someone like Ali got to challenge/defend the HW title against a chinny, featherfisted punch bag handicapped dwarf like Frazier?

I wonder what Rahman would have to say, the man who KO'd Lewis, when he is forced to live in the shadow of an opponent like Shavers, who never ever beat a decent, real HW opponent except a glass jawed Ken Norton with a basically non existent punch.

And so on...

Get with the times, those old days are over!

I'd imagine none of those WK opponents would be particularly amused with such laughable comparisons. That kind of resume doesn't hold up against real facts. That's a fact! LOL

[IronDanHamza]

Greatest Heavyweight of this era theres absolutely no doubt about that.

[Elroy1]

Every great fighter will have some haters. There's certain people, losers in life, who envy and hate better men than themselves.

Someday boxing historians will look back and give Wlad the recognition he deserves.

Yeah that'll be 30 years away yet, when the era of that generation is being called a bunch of bums too.

Except I doubt many American boxing fans will be too quick to declare they were bested. The weak opposition myth will always be easy to hide behind for some.

[bklynboy]

What is your reasoning behind this statement? Surely you must be able to provide arguments for such a bold suggestion?

Are you saying VK's resume is good? It's the best he could have based on the available competition but compared to other decades it's horrible.

You have to go to late 20s and early 30s (after Tunney retired) to find a comparably poor era with the late 40s and early 50s being in contention.

[M Bison]

Are you saying VK's resume is good? It's the best he could have based on the available competition but compared to other decades it's horrible.

You have to go to late 20s and early 30s (after Tunney retired) to find a comparably poor era with the late 40s and early 50s being in contention.

What defines those eras being 'good' compare to this 'poor' one?
Is it because the belts aren't handed around regularly or is it because you don't pay enough attention to the division because most major heavyweight bouts no longer happen in the States..

Well... dat mean it poor era doe

Thank god the likes of Leon Spinks, Quarry, Bugner, Mike Bruce, Berbick and Wepner aren't around today in their prime!
Wladimir and Vitali would of stood NO CHANCE...
sike

[bklynboy]

I wonder what Tony Thompson would say about being labelled a bum opponent by OTNB's for WK,

when someone like Ali got to defend against George Chuvalo, a 34-11 bum who came off a loss against an 11-2 191 lb cruiser bum.

I wonder what Samuel Peter would say about being labelled a bum..

when someone like Ali got to defend against a 195lb cruiser 30% KO ratio featherfist in Karl Mildenberger who earned his shot by beating a 13-9 182lb cruiser bum. An opponent Ali claimed was a tougher opponent than FRAZIER!

And speaking of him.. I wonder what Alexander Povetkin, who had a stellar/extensive amatuer pedigree, who was undefeated and a strong natural HW and had never been KD in over 300 fights, would have to say about being labelled a bum,

when someone like Ali got to challenge/defend the HW title against a chinny, featherfisted punch bag handicapped dwarf like Frazier?

I wonder what Rahman would have to say, the man who KO'd Lewis, when he is forced to live in the shadow of an opponent like Shavers, who never ever beat a decent, real HW opponent except a glass jawed Ken Norton with a basically non existent punch.

And so on...

Get with the times, those old days are over!

I'd imagine none of those WK opponents would be particularly amused with such laughable comparisons. That kind of resume doesn't hold up against real facts. That's a fact! LOL

Ali fought all-time greats. Vitali fought Lewis. WK hasn't fought any HOFs let alone ATGs. Ali fought Liston, Frazier and Foreman and took on a lot of solid contenders.

Ken Norton is better than anyone not named K and he definitely has a solid chance against either K. Same for Shavers. Frazier a dwarf? Was Mike Tyson a dwarf? Hey didn't that dwarf Ray Mercer do well against LL? How about that dwarf David Tua. Yeah he wouldn't stand a chance against WK. No chance whatsover. /sarc

[M Bison]

Ali fought all-time greats. Vitali fought Lewis. WK hasn't fought any HOFs let alone ATGs. Ali fought Liston, Frazier and Foreman and took on a lot of solid contenders.

Ken Norton is better than anyone not named K and he definitely has a solid chance against either K. Same for Shavers. Frazier a dwarf? Was Mike Tyson a dwarf? Hey didn't that dwarf Ray Mercer do well against LL? How about that dwarf David Tua. Yeah he wouldn't stand a chance against WK. No chance whatsover. /sarc

When did those fighters get inducted into the HOF?
When did Ali get inducted into the HOF?

You're basing things off on how these guys were sold back then and how they continue to be sold and hyped up to the heaven.
Its like UFC some of the guys they have are below average but they get sold to the media through all their marketing and uneducated viewers like you lap it up and buy into it thinking Jon Jones is the greatest thing since slice bread because of it

[Elroy1]

Ali fought all-time greats. Vitali fought Lewis. WK hasn't fought any HOFs let alone ATGs. Ali fought Liston, Frazier and Foreman and took on a lot of solid contenders.

Ken Norton is better than anyone not named K and he definitely has a solid chance against either K. Same for Shavers. Frazier a dwarf? Was Mike Tyson a dwarf? Hey didn't that dwarf Ray Mercer do well against LL? How about that dwarf David Tua. Yeah he wouldn't stand a chance against WK. No chance whatsover. /sarc

WK top opponents

Pulev (soon)
Povetkin
Haye
Thompson
Peter
Chagaev
Ibragimov
Rahman
Byrd

and so on

Ali top opponents

Foreman
Lyle
Norton
Frazier
Shavers

Foreman is the only decent opponent Ali ever faced.

Norton has no punch and no chin, decent skills though. Demolished by Foreman, demolished by Shavers, only decent win is Ali

Frazier has no punch, no chin OR skills. Only decent opponent he fought was Ali, demolished by Foreman.

Shavers was a bum. In reality he beat Ali, analogous to WK being beaten by Puritty.

Liston's only decent opponent was Ali. He never beat a good 200+ opponent.

Sadly, these were Muhammad's best wins! BEFORE we get into the dirt.

All the WK opponents mentioned above would have either clowned, or knocked the Ali opponents straight out.

That's a pure fact. The only guy who'd stand decent chances is Foreman. Based entirely on his chin and power, at 220lbs these guys are a dime a dozen today. Except most of them today can box. Foreman barely even knew HOW to box until his 40's!

Another fact LOL

[Elroy1]

Ali never even faced an opponent as heavy, as hard chinned and as experienced as Ross Puritty!