Wladimir Klitschko's Resume

[D-MiZe]

I didn't even make it past the first few lines until I realised your whole post is going to be invalid. It doesn't matter how many 0s he's taken or how many people he's knocked out that previously hadn't been stopped.

There are many variables in boxing such as who the opponent has fought, how that opponent has beaten other opponents etc...

No doubt they've had a great reign and beaten some good opponents but nothing that elevates them to greatness. Is it their fault? No. It's just unfortunate that despite this being such a solitary sport, you have to rely heavily on other people to prove your worth.

The Klitschkos will be resigned to the 'what if' category, even more so than any other dominant heavyweight champion in history.

[Jewish-Reptile]

This whole counter argument against Wlad's resume is baseless.he has vanquished and defeated all his mandatory challengers an more,ie the best the era can serve him up.

To suggest the era is weak,really is a weak argument to bring to a debate.

Chambers,Ibragimov,Chagaev,Haye,Povetkin and the next in line Pulev and Stiverne would be legit challengers if not champions in other eras.in fact most have been titlist or in Chagaev case actual champion.

[Elroy1]

Thompson was an elite fighter? What's your definition of 'elite'?

If you go by any normal persons definition, he is anything but. Let's put it into perspective shall we: Tony Thompson has never beaten a single current champion in his entire career. Not one. He has never beaten a paper titlist. He hasn't even beaten an old, faded, shot former champion. Ever. He has topped out at beating domestic level guys, then losing when he steps up, or just losing. He's a decent contender for the times, and the times are bad, nothing more.

When you have to fall back on someone who hasn't beaten a single top ranked, current champion, or even a faded former champion as an elite, great win, things are pretty damn bad.

You really think WK and VK aren't allowed to face bums? What was Mormeck? What was Leapai? Great wins huh? You call these guys top, elite, world championship level fighters huh? Good one.

Wlad has done some great things in this sport, but when you guys try to put this on people, you look bad, and you make him look even worse. Trying to pass this stuff off is not a good way to make him look better.

Let me put it to you this way son...

The fact that 240lb ball of muscle, hard hitting Leapai 30-4 record who earned his shot by beating ranked Undefeated 30-0 225lb Boytsov noted for his speed, power and aggression,

And the fact that multiple world champion (CW) Mormeck at 216lbs ripped with solid skills...

Are considered the bummiest opponents on WK's record is ABSOLUE proof of the SUPERIORITY of WK's record over almost any other HW in history.

You cannot BEGIN to compare this to the bum of the month clubs that Ali and Louis fought.

Guys who earned their shot by feasting on bums who lost more than they won, guys who sometimes didn't even weigh 200lbs. Guys who could barely even throw a straight punch.

It's disgusting you compare unfavourably to that level of boxing, anybody with a clear head can see how crap these guys really were and how effective WK's resume was by comparison.

And Thompson? He is unfortunate to have been born into a very tough and unforgiving era, had he been in a weak era like the 30/40s or 60/70's, he'd have been champ for a time, no doubt!

Tony Thompson 39-5 (2 of those losses coming from WK, another from a great opponent in Pulev) 6'5" 250lbs, solid skills.

What you fail to recognise is that these so called "bad opponents" Thompson fought were in fact very good boxers. He even stopped rising prospects like David Price, unbeaten, huge, huge power.

The fact that Thompson did not manage to score a strap in this era is PROOF of how demanding this era really is and how unbelievably good the K's were/are for dominating it!

FACTS!

[-2 Scrappy-]

Thompson was an elite fighter? What's your definition of 'elite'?

If you go by any normal persons definition, he is anything but. Let's put it into perspective shall we: Tony Thompson has never beaten a single current champion in his entire career. Not one. He has never beaten a paper titlist. He hasn't even beaten an old, faded, shot former champion. Ever. He has topped out at beating domestic level guys, then losing when he steps up, or just losing. He's a decent contender for the times, and the times are bad, nothing more.

When you have to fall back on someone who hasn't beaten a single top ranked, current champion, or even a faded former champion as an elite, great win, things are pretty damn bad.

You really think WK and VK aren't allowed to face bums? What was Mormeck? What was Leapai? Great wins huh? You call these guys top, elite, world championship level fighters huh? Good one.

Wlad has done some great things in this sport, but when you guys try to put this on people, you look bad, and you make him look even worse. Trying to pass this stuff off is not a good way to make him look better.

Pretty much this and the fact he has a clinch fest in almost every single fight since he was knocked out does not do him any favors. Wlad's not horrible but he could be so much better and make a better case for himself if he would take a lot of these guys out earlier who had no business being in the ring with him to begin with.

I also agree with DeMize as far as "what if" being tied in with their legacies. It's a shame Wlad never got to fight Lennox then we would have really known his worth. That's why I will always consider Vital that better of the brothers because he always came to fight and gave Lennox as much as he could take. But that's another what if. What if Vital could have continued in that fight. Could of been one of the best heavyweight wars for the ages had it continued.

[Elroy1]

What if Muhammad Ali faced Tony Thompson? Never did he fight an opponent as skilled+tall+heavy as Thompson or with as good a record in conjunction.

Obviously I think Ali would be dispatched but lets entertain you nutbags for a moment and consider that Ali won..

Ali would have been lauded as the most unbelievable boxer ever for having defeated such a tremendous opponent.

Same story with Mormeck,

Even Mormeck would have a case of being the best opponent Ali had ever faced!

[bojangles1987]

What if Muhammad Ali faced Tony Thompson? Never did he fight an opponent as skilled+tall+heavy as Thompson or with as good a record in conjunction.

Obviously I think Ali would be dispatched but lets entertain you nutbags for a moment and consider that Ali won..

Ali would have been lauded as the most unbelievable boxer ever for having defeated such a tremendous opponent.

Same story with Mormeck,

Even Mormeck would have a case of being the best opponent Ali had ever faced!

You're pretty good at this. You started off with a crazy viewpoint and argued it somewhat intelligently, or at least tried, and with every passing post you get crazier and crazier. Keep it up, it's pretty funny.

[Elroy1]

You're pretty good at this. You started off with a crazy viewpoint and argued it somewhat intelligently, or at least tried, and with every passing post you get crazier and crazier. Keep it up, it's pretty funny.

The only joke is the baseless downtreading of this era just because the champs aren't your favourites and THEN going on to compare them to eras that weren't a fifth of this era!

[Simurgh]

He had over 40 bouts when he lost to Sanders and Brewster, how long does it take to get to your prime?

If you can't see the level(S) between that Wlad and present Wlad, sorry I can't help you.

Number of bouts has nothing to do with it...

[M Bison]

What if Muhammad Ali faced Tony Thompson? Never did he fight an opponent as skilled+tall+heavy as Thompson or with as good a record in conjunction.

Obviously I think Ali would be dispatched but lets entertain you nutbags for a moment and consider that Ali won..

Ali would have been lauded as the most unbelievable boxer ever for having defeated such a tremendous opponent.

Same story with Mormeck,

Even Mormeck would have a case of being the best opponent Ali had ever faced!

Pretty much!

Ali beats someone they're the greatest fighter to have ever lived, they're ATGs and they belong in top 30.
Wladimir beats someone, they're a bum... look at how many losses they have!!

Ali beats the same person Wlad does, OMG amazing Ali so good...
Tony Thompson is world class now but not when he is being schooled by one of our greatest heavyweights ever.

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Perfect example

[TyrantT316]

It's not always about beating undefeated guys. It's about fighting that rival that tests your greatness. A guy that you're linked with to the end of time.

Pacman-Marquez
Ali-Frazier
Leonard-Hearns

etc…etc…

For Wlad, it could have been Lewis, but that fight never happened. It eventually became a showdown with Haye, but Haye didn't make any kind of case in that fight to become a true rival for Wlad and have a rematch or two.

That rival is a guy that people say, maaaan, I don't know who will win THIS time. Every great has beaten a group of undefeated and largely untested fighters. But not everyone has that indefinite rival to take them into the next stratosphere of greatness.