Comments Thread For: Douglas-Soro Tops ShoBox Quadruple Telecast, July 25

[smoothsmg]

Shobox usually gets it right, it keeps me going.

Douglas is an extremely fast starter and tries to live up to his nickname "Action." He does it very well early on in fights and is still learning how to pace himself, did it better in his last win i thought. i've never seen Soro, but that is why i love shobox. he'll prob be pretty good. i am interested in following douglas. anyway so I'll be checking it out

It keeps me going also. This is why I love Shotime in general, you can always count on seeing fighters you have never seen and it gives you the chance to pick and choose fighters you might like (or not like) instead of being force fed fighters. I get baffled when people (so called boxing fans) say they are going to cancel Shotime. I like my 3-4 fight cards, not my 1-2 fight cards. HBO only shows who they want us to like, Shotime gives us fresh faces and nobodies in a general sense who can work their way up.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Who cares if Fortuna fought Lorenzo twice. Go back and look at the list of 5 fighters I named that Fortuna fought, all 5 of which were better than anything Benavidez or Magdaleno fought. And Avalos just beat a guy who beat a former champ and also fought another prospect at the time he was 22 in Chris Martin. Avalos and Fortuna and even Chris Martin have been fighting prospects and in some cases former champs; Jesse and Jose are NOT. I could care less about the TR/GBP/Haymon comparison - the fact is everyone knows that soft touches do nothing to help a fighter grow and not worthy of being on TV. I cannot spell it out any easier than that.

Javier Fortuna's opponents' W/L record up till he was 22: 230-191
Jessie's: 202-77
Jose: 148-94

Overall Fortuna's and Jessie's are similar with Jessie having a better ratio. Jose's is ****ty but my guess is cause of his bad hands which you always compassion about too. My guess is they keep taking soft touches to see if his hand problem goes away and it doesn't.

[richardt]

Javier Fortuna's opponents' W/L record up till he was 22: 230-191
Jessie's: 202-77
Jose: 148-94

Overall Fortuna's and Jessie's are similar with Jessie having a better ratio. Jose's is ****ty but my guess is cause of his bad hands which you always compassion about too. My guess is they keep taking soft touches to see if his hand problem goes away and it doesn't.

The quality of the opponent counts way more than the win-loss record of an opponent. An opponent who has had 3 losses to former world champions far outweighs an opponent who has 3 losses against low-level club fighters.

I can name 6 fighters individually that Fortuna has fought with the same rough number of fights Jose and Jesse has had that are clearly better than anyone Jose or Jesse has fought. There is NO EXCUSE for Jesse to be fighting an 18-14 fighter in his next fight! It is obvious to anyone Fortuna has fought prospects and a former champ, Jesse has not, neither has Jose. Fortuna has CLEARLY stepped up where those two have not. They have been overprotected, he has not. Night and day difference. Every SINGLE time they mention Jose and Jesse, it is against TBA!! Many times when they announce Fortuna, it is an actual name, often another prospect.

Chris Avalos fought three unbeaten prospects and a ranked contender. How many of those has Jesse and Jose fought? None. Even the fighters on Boxcino all took risks to try and make a name for themselves. Prospects vs Prospects, not some TBA BULLSHT.

Tons and tons of fighters over the years have put their unbeaten records on the line for a chance to make a names for themselves.

I have seen over Six thousand fights over 25 years and I know what overprotected fighters are and fighters whose teams want the best fights for their fighters. I know a gravy train when I see one from miles away.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

The quality of the opponent counts way more than the win-loss record of an opponent. An opponent who has had 3 losses to former world champions far outweighs an opponent who has 3 losses against low-level club fighters.

I can name 6 fighters individually that Fortuna has fought that are clearly better than anyone Jose or Jesse has fought. There is NO EXCUSE for Jesse to be fighting an 18-14 fighter in his next fight! It is obvious to anyone Fortuna has fought prospects and a former champ, Jesse has not, neither has Jose. Fortuna has CLEARLY stepped up where those two have not. They have been overprotected, he has not. Night and day difference. Every SINGLE time they mention Jose and Jesse, it is against TBA!! Many times when they announce Fortuna, it is an actual name, often another prospect.

Chris Avalos fought three unbeaten prospects and a ranked contender. How many of those has Jesse and Jose fought? None. Even the fighters on Boxcino all took risks to try and make a name for themselves. Prospects vs Prospects, not some TBA BULLSHT.

Tons and tons of fighters over the years have put their unbeaten records on the line for a chance to make a names for themselves.

I have seen over Six thousand fights over 25 years and I know what overprotected fighters are and fighters whose teams want the best fights for their fighters.

First you were complaining about them not fighting prospects. Then about their opponents' record. But now you're talking about quality.

[richardt]

First you were complaining about them not fighting prospects. Then about their opponents' record. But now you're talking about quality.

Can you not Triangulate the factors?????? Jesse and Jose are being overprotected by not fighting prospects or former champs when many other fighters, hundreds of them, are putting it on the line and taking chances. Do you not get this??????? This is not even a debatable subject!! It is based on facts! Some fighters teams have their fighters step up early, and some do not. This fact is not remotely debatable. It take very little analysis to see this. I get it, the power of discernment is obviously not your forte.

EDIT: I will even make it simpler:

Neither Jose or Jesse has fought a single opponent who was either A) Considered a threat, or B) was a close underdog, or C) was the favorite. Chris Martin, Chris Avalos, Javier Fortuna, Ray Serrano, Karim Mayfield, and many others have fought at least 2 of the 3 I mentioned. That is the simplest axiom I can funnel this down to for you to understand. Some prospects are overprotected and fed TBA's - and others are pitted against each other which 1. Makes for better TV fights and 2) allows fighters to grow by being challenged, and 3) actually gain momentum toward a title!

[BattleAxePurist]

Interested in seeing Soro again he's been sparring w/N'Dam.

[New England]

shobox fights and fighters often suck. i'll seek out the prospects and fights that are most likely to deliver.

i don't even watch FNF any more. I DVR it, and will watch if the fights are legit. once in a blue moon, you get a can't miss fight on FNF that i will watch live. i'm a young man, and i should be doing something on friday night.


god bless the DVR.

[New England]

i'll also say this:

most of the "prospects" i see today suck.

[The Gambler1981]

i'll also say this:

most of the "prospects" i see today suck.

Most prospect in boxing have always ******, because only every so often do the extreme physical gifts that most people drool over when it comes to young fighters match up with the right brain to make proper use of them.

Which is why when looking at prospects you never really watch to see those flashy things but what a guy really is doing with those skills and how is he making better use of them each time out.

[New England]

Most prospect in boxing have always ******, because only every so often do the extreme physical gifts that most people drool over when it comes to young fighters match up with the right brain to make proper use of them.

Which is why when looking at prospects you never really watch to see those flashy things but what a guy really is doing with those skills and how is he making better use of them each time out.

comparing the young fighters today to the young fighters coming out of the amateurs years ago is ridiculous.