Comments Thread For: Canelo Will Only Fight Pacquiao at 154, No Catch-Weight

[Bronx2245]

Canelo will be GBP's saviour IF he can beat Lara. I'm sure Floyd will fight him at the full 154 this time, just like he gave Cotto the full 154, when you know who failed to get Cotto to come down to 150. Whether it's Floyd, Cotto, or Martinez, Canelo will make big dollars if he takes care of business next month. Manny, on the other hand, is ****** without JMM. Without JMM, he doesn't have a big time PPV worthy opponent.

[hitking]

Its not a bull**** excuse at all because its a fact. There were people the day before the fight ere asking what time they were gonna show the PPV

You wanted to compare Canelo with the Pacquiao of 2014 so that would be the Bradley 2 PPV. Quit trying to morph your points

Its not morphing a point. Bradley is a known comodity, Lara isn't. Rios is a lot closer to Lara in terms of name value than Bradley. I don't even see where that's debateable.

As for the "China" excuse. If it helps you sleep better at night, so be it. But to me it defies logic that a fight takes place at a standard time, live, and the show suffers cause its being broadcast from another country. If it had been at 4 o'clock in the afternoon like the Froch fight last week it would be a legitimate excuse.

[Bee Keepz]

I think that's fair enough from Canelo. He weakened himself for the floyd fight and has learned his lesson now.

Manny will have to look elsewhere.

Manny isn't looking elsewhere he knows Canelo fight is the big money fight.

[The Big Dunn]

dunny, who says i have a problem with it now??? dude was comparing ppv #'s, he picked pac's weakest showing to compare LOL!! i was pointing it out to him that he fought rios in china so what type of #'s does he expect? where did u get im against this fight now from what i posted?? reaching a little dunn? also he's comparing ppv #'s from different years LOL.

JMM 1 and Morales 1 were pacs weakest ppv, not Rios.

My point is simple-you didn't expect this fight to sell less than 500k. very few did. If the reason for sales is Manny-as you and others suggest daily-the numbers shouldn't have been affected that much since the fight was at the same time as any other ppv.

The numbers shrank because Manny got KO'd his last fight-thats why Bob most likely went to china-because the Vegas numbers would likely have dropped significantly because manny had "lost" 2 in a row in the eyes of casuals.

I agree you should make a comparison of more recent numbers. I also think you shouldn't let hindsight be the judge of the numbers. You thought manny was in a good, exciting fight that would sell.

[Bronx2245]

floyd has sold 4 mil ppv's in 12 months-showtime hasn't lost anything.

I'm sure you read this but if not, very interesting article:

"Of course, Showtime was on this track in 2012 as well. Back then, no one was considering the idea that Showtime was competing head-on with HBO.

A single fighter changed that perception. In 2012, HBO led the way on cable and on pay-per-view. But when Floyd Mayweather signed a six-fight, 30-month contract with the promotion in February 2013, Showtime became the industry leader in pay-per-view overnight.

While HBO still features the top pay cable fights, Mayweather's record-breaking bout with Canelo Alvarez in September 2013 outsold HBO and Showtime's other PPV shows combined, making Showtime an immediate force."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...boxings-future

[sugarsmosley]

the fight wont happen, will take a christmas miracle for canelo to even come close to beating lara

[Check_hooks]

Its not morphing a point. Bradley is a known comodity, Lara isn't. Rios is a lot closer to Lara in terms of name value than Bradley. I don't even see where that's debateable.

As for the "China" excuse. If it helps you sleep better at night, so be it. But to me it defies logic that a fight takes place at a standard time, live, and the show suffers cause its being broadcast from another country. If it had been at 4 o'clock in the afternoon like the Froch fight last week it would be a legitimate excuse.

Ok, how about this, we add up the #'s for Rios and Bradley and compare them to the #'s for Angulo vs Lara. Whoever has more will be the A-side

Rios 500k
Bradley 2 800k
Total 1.3 million

Angulo 350k
Lara ???

So canelo would have to do 950k just to tie Pacquiao. Do you think Canelo vs Lara can do that? I think it struggles going over 500k

[Evol]

JMM 1 and Morales 1 were pacs weakest ppv, not Rios.

My point is simple-you didn't expect this fight to sell less than 500k. very few did. If the reason for sales is Manny-as you and others suggest daily-the numbers shouldn't have been affected that much since the fight was at the same time as any other ppv.

The numbers shrank because Manny got KO'd his last fight-thats why Bob most likely went to china-because the Vegas numbers would likely have dropped significantly because manny had "lost" 2 in a row in the eyes of casuals.

I agree you should make a comparison of more recent numbers. I also think you shouldn't let hindsight be the judge of the numbers. You thought manny was in a good, exciting fight that would sell.

u're right, i was expecting atleast 600-700k in ppv. but that wasnt the point as to why i favor this fight when it was announced so how can i be switching up now when ppv#'s wasnt even in my radar when i said this will be a good match up for manny to see where he's at?

if u go back and look at my old post from this match up, my main argument for this fight was that rios is a come foward guy who is gonna test manny and thats why i want to see this fight because i wanna know where manny is at coming off that KO from marquez.

[The Big Dunn]

also dunn, when pac/rios was announced i was never on here woofing about how this fight is gonna do crazy #'s.. i think i made that part clear. so how am i switching up now since its a flopped?? i knew it wasnt gonna do good #'s but i thought the match up was still a good one for pac coming off that KO.

Don't try the usual take my point to the extreme to argue it back. You thought this was an exciting fight that would sell well. It didn't. No excuses.

So your saying the breakeven point for the Maidana fight was 850k even tho Arum said it had to be 1.2 mill and Tim Smith said it had to be 1.5 mill?

People have broke the numbers down numerous times on here and 850k was a huge loss no matter how you spin it

12 months-4 mil ppv's. Thats Tyson in 1996 at his apex.

I made no statement about the break even point of any individual fight. People can break numbers down any way they wish.

At the end of day only Floyd and Tyson (and I think Holyfield also) to my knowledge have sold that many ppv's in a 12 month span.

[hitking]

the #'s each guy bring in is not a huge different but when u pair someone like lara up with canelo, u have the on going rivalry there. both sides of the fans would wanna watch this fight for bragging rights. wtf does pac/rios have in terms on attracting more viewer?? and like the other dude said if ur gonna compare 2014 ppv then compare it with the ppv from the same year! ur so desperate u went and picked pac's weakest fight to compare it with LOL!

Anything pass 350K buys or so means you're getting into non-hardcore fight fans. And when talking about those folks, Rios and Lara are the same. If you wanna say Lara paired with Nelo sales better than Rios paired with Pac, fine. But that's only the case among hardcore fight fans. And how many hardcore fight fans, that aren't Pacquiao diehards, didn't order Pac-Rios but will order Nelo-Lara? I'd say that number is minimal.

As for being "desperate." Revenue is something I don't really give a **** about. The conversation started simply it wad suggested that Manny will be able to dictate to Nelo.And I don't think that's the case.