So is there anyone out there who acually believes Anthony Joshua is a clean athlete?

[Teddy05]

I've already mentioned Bradley earlier in the thread. Bradley is one hundred percent juicing. You simply can't get that lean and shredded without some form of chemical assistance. Don't believe me? Go back through welterweights prior to the 1960s and try to find me a single guy who looks anything like Timbo on weigh in day. You'll find some ripped dudes, no doubt, but no one with that level of dryness and separation.

Trying to compare bodies today to those 60 years ago isnt apples to apples

200 lbs used to be a big heavyweight

[Fury4daWIN]

Trying to compare bodies today to those 60 years ago isnt apples to apples

200 lbs used to be a big heavyweight

What's that got to do with Bradley though? He's got the same weight restrictions as every other fighter who ever fought in his weightclass. The difference is he's somehow able to come in ultra lean and ripped and looking like an amateur bodybuilder while still able to function at the highest levels of athletic exertions. What's he doing that no one in history ever thought to do before him? Old school boxers weren't dummies when it came to physical fitness, despite modern conceptions of them being so. Yet you never saw anyone remotely as freakish looking as Bradley back then. Hell, try to even find me a pre-50s bodybuilder who looked like him.

200 lbs used to be a big heavyweight

200lbs used to be a big heavyweight because it was a big heavyweight. These 250lbs muscle monsters are simply not how humans are built. The last few decades have skewed our understanding of what's possible naturally and what's not to the point where people can actually look at someone like Joshua and think, "Yeah, that's possible naturally! All you need are some weights and good genes and you're ready to go!"

Humans can pack on a huge amount of muscle naturally, and they can get extremely lean naturally too, but it's impossible to do both. Genetics only helps you to a certain extent. It can't change who you are as a living organism.

[Fury4daWIN]

He looks lime bodybuilder. But I don't think he is on them or at least knowingly.

He looks happy when he wins. Look at Ben Johnson when he crossed line, no smile or anything. Josh smiles when he punches people in the face and he smiles when they are on canvas with his hands raised.
So he hasn't got the scareds he's going to get found out look.

How can you unknowingly be on steroids? Almost all AAS these days is injected. You'd have to be a total and utter dummy to think someone sticking needles into your butt is normal.

[Fury4daWIN]

As a little experiment I put in Joshua's stats to the Fat Free Mass Index calculator.

http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi

At 243lbs (his last weight vs Breazeale) 6ft 6 and an estimated 10% body fat his FFMI came out at 25.4 adjusted to 26.5, which is clearly above the naturally achievable limit (24-25).

Joshua needs to be in the 16% bodyfat range before he starts to get back into natural territory, and even then, taking into account he's a boxer and not a bodybuilder, those are pretty crazy numbers.

[yngwie]

Every time an athlete looks good is on roids?

[Madison Boxing]

Anyone who doesnt think joshua has used gear is completely naive and doesnt understand training. He might not be on it anymore perhaps, but it wasnt chicken and brocolli which built that kind of muscle.

[Madison Boxing]

Cue posters saying, oh so anyone in better shape than you is on roids. No, you can look like cristiano ronaldo naturally, you cannot look like anthony joshua naturally.

[Fury4daWIN]

Every time an athlete looks good is on roids?

No, but any time an athlete looks like Anthony Joshua, they're one hundred percent juicing.

[krazyn8tive]

Look at this guy, seriously.









So what is it then, genetics? If so, where were these genes in the 70's and 80's because I didn't see any fighters lookinh like this back then. Is it "advances in modern training"? Which are what exactly, a needle in the arm after every session? Have weight training and plyometrics only been around for the last ten years or something? I don't see anything in your average boxing gym today which wouldn't have been around in the 70's.

As for "innocent until proven guilty", that would be fine if testing standards in boxing were up to scratch. But they're not, they're not even close. British boxer Larry Olubamiwo took 13 banned substances including HGH and anabolic steroids over a six year period before finally getting caught for EPO and admitting to the rest. Standard commissions in the US are no better, look up Joe Rogan's interview with Victor Conte for more information on that. HGH isn't even tested for.

I wish people in boxing wouldn't turn a blind eye to this. I think it's our duty as fans to make as much noise as possible when somebody looks dirty and the onus should be on them to prove they're clean by undertaking the most stringent testing possible. Forget about personal bias and picking favourites, just speak up regardless for the sake of the sport's integrity. Boxing is dangerous enough without all of this.

You've got Marquez blatantly doping after getting together with Memo, Shawn Porter giving Malignaggi a hematoma inside four rounds and suddenly looking a beast after hooking up with Victor Conte and Rios getting busted by VADA after only one fight with Ariza. Who knows how many other fighters are flying under the radar. Trainers and promoters are gonna protect their fighter no matter what, but I for one am sick of seeing this shameless cheating.

He has videos on YouTube of his workouts. He trains like an mma fighter/bodybuilder hybrid. Dude is a specimen.

[TheBoxingXpert]

Maybe, maybe not. I don't really care.