Pacqiao's Legacy is in Marquez's Hands

[Chups]

The rematch will happen if JMM grows a set of balls and stops outpricing himself!!

[JOM'S]

Tell me, have I EVER, even one time called anyone a 'nuthugger'? I dont just mean pac fans..I mean in general...I havent. I dont know about you guys, but I dont actually "hug" anyones nuts!

my answer is, you never did ...

but around the forums PAC FANS are being labeled as nuthuggers and i am definetly a PAC FAN so if being as such i be called a pacnuthugger so be it, thats how an avid fan i am, i really dont care if i am labeled as a nuthugger, the only thing that bothers me when PAC NUTHUGGERS as a whole are considered "clueless" in boxing ...

i don't deny JMM's greatness for me he is PAC's greatest challenge, even greater challenge than EM ...

but putting one's legacy on one figther like what MUNN did, is too much, for me this constitute nuthugging (this is debatable)...

but i do see MUNN points i just don't agree with him and IMHO it is a must for both PAC & JMM to settle unfinished business ...

[nadz]

The rematch will happen if JMM grows a set of balls and stops outpricing himself!!

lolz... he knew that this is the right time to retire

[JOM'S]

Even though JMM proved to be the superior boxer after the first round, he didn't win the fight. He proved that he has the style to be Pacman, be there are questions that still linger. The fact that he priced himself out of a rematch raises even more questions. Can Pac beat JMM? I don't know, but after the first round of their first fight it didn't look like he could. These guys need to fight each other to answer all the questions

right on sister that is the unfinished business that both PAC & JMM has to settle, I am hoping it will be soon ...

[nadz]

right on sister that is the unfinished business that both PAC & JMM has to settle, I am hoping it will be soon ...

you're right here bro.. but i think jmm will not seriously to finished his unfinished business.

[psychopath]

Even though JMM proved to be the superior boxer after the first round, he didn't win the fight. He proved that he has the style to be Pacman, be there are questions that still linger. The fact that he priced himself out of a rematch raises even more questions. Can Pac beat JMM? I don't know, but after the first round of their first fight it didn't look like he could. These guys need to fight each other to answer all the questions

Exactly Bro JMM showed that he has the style to beat Pac . . . I guess nobody can dispute that . . . reason why the boxing world is routing for that rematch unfortunately team JMM doesn't want that to HAPPEN.

[Moon]

i got your points on the belts, and if the world will stop now PAC will be only be a two time world champion, but you got to remember MAB also has a belt when and if PAC's next fight will be against MAB it will be for a SFW Belt and his legacy cemented as a three time world boxing champ ...

i don't agree with you that PAC's legacy depend on JMM but I do agree that PAC & JMM has to settle unfinished business and I really hope it will be soon, JMM don't have time on his side, IMHO the longer this fight happens the lesser chances JMM will win, so i hope we will see PAC-JMM 2 this year or at the latest by 2006, where we can safely say both guys are still at their peak ...

Jomo .... Good response my friend. In case you haven't noticed yet, I'm not a JMM lover, he's just a damned good, smart boxer. I like Pac a hell of a lot too for what he brings.

Right now, across all devisions, the only "unfinished business" that rivals Pac-JMM is Vitali-Lewis. The Heavy rematch won't happen, so that leaves us with something that boxing fans should enjoy even more, the Feather scene.

Pac will very likely beat MAB again in that clash of styles. Morales could actually be tougher, but likely another win. Pacman at Feather has only one question mark on the record book and he's not liking that very much. He wants Marquez.

Thanks for not stooping to the "chicken" argument. Pac would never use those words, because he is above it. Any fan of boxing, actual boxing not the boxers, loed what they saw in Marquez getting up after those three visious KD's. A so-called chicken would have laid-down and stayed down.

[Pullcounter]

I like decisive wins. KO's do that for me very nicely. I also like boxing skill and endurance, you know, the stuff that Champions are made of. You know, the stuff that Pac ran-into against Marquez.

Pac is a KO king, whereas Marquez is a very skilled boxer with less KO status. But Pac did not KO Marquez, and Marquez did out-box Pac, that's simple to understand. Those two styles met in the ring and it was settled in the ring.

Fights are not won/lost based on the condition of a guy's face at the end of the 12th round, it's the cards. Pac brought his power/speed style to Marquez very early, but blew his load and Marquez's boxing style was more effective over the next eleven rounds. By the way, ever check Gatti's face after winning by decision?

Again, if you beleive that Pac spooked Marquez because of what you saw against Salido, you don't really know Marquez. That was typical Marquez in there, kinda' like Hopkins in some ways, just taking care of business and getting a win. No KO, but a win no less. That's boxing smart and Marquez always fights slightly above his opponents level, enough to get a win and preserve his brains for when he really needs to go to war, like with Pac in the rematch.

Marquez's KO percentage is almost as good as Pac. **** alot of Peeps say he's as good a puncher as ERIK MORALES!!! If Marquez really was boxing smart, he'd realize that Salido had no business being in the ring w/ him and turned up the pace of the fight and beat the crap of Salido. Instead he cruised to an unsatifying and boring victory. I was ashamed because I told some casual boxing fans that JMM was a p4p top 10 fighter; as they watched JMM "go to work" they either doozed off to sleep or talked about other sports. Sure style is style, but if you're in a different class than your opponent, you should blow him out of the water.

[m00ks]

MOOKS ... My original post was not a comparison of Marquez's legacy versus Pac's legacy. That discussion is simply a distraction from what I first said. To summarize .... without defeating the reigning Marquez, Manny's legacy is a question mark, but, by beating Marquez, it's a done deal.

But, please also keep one thing in mind as you question Marquez. He's already "chased" Pacman and retained the belts.

According to you, it seems that JMM should be again chasing the "great" Pacman? Was Pac "great" before he fought JMM? If so, then give JMM credit for chasing the "greats". Or maybe Pac is one of the "greats" based on his draw with JMM? If that's the case, then JMM must be truly held in high regard.

MOOKS, all kinding aside, chasing the greats doesn't make your Legacy for you. But, beating the so-called "greats" will do it. Then add retaining your titles. There's no question Pac is making a Legacy for himself by handling first Barrera, and now quite likely handling Morales. But, even if Pac walks through Morales, the fight everybody wants, so that Pac can assume his rightful place, is Marquez. Manny will only have built the Legacy he wants when he beats all the top guys, this means Marquez.

Marquez and Pac will meet again. We agree, both their legacies will possibly be scribed by the result. My point stands, Manny needs Marquez. Marquez remains Champ after having faced Pac, while Pac gets to claim he "drew" the Champ. Who needs who more?

Munn

At least in my eyes Marquez is mereley a second gatekeeper to Manny's journey to greatness. His win against Barrera steered him in teh right direction and his draw with Marquez should have proven that although not yet great, he's legit. The boxing' world's regard on Maqruez cannot even be compared to how the public regards EM and MAB. Should March 19 prove to be successfull for Pac, Pac would already have MAB and Morales' head on his legacy. If Pac gets a win with ALL 3 Mexicans, his win vs MAB and Morales would prove to be of more significance than the one with JMM (again this is if all goes well). If Pac fails against Morales, then yes, he would need Marquez as this would be the optimum option to cement his credability as a top dog in the division.

Pac wasn't "great" after the Barrera win and he wasn't "great" after the JMM darw. He STILL wouldn't have been "great" had he won vs JMM. MORALES is the ultimate test for him. Morales is his ticket. Not Marquez. Why would you need somebody who refuses to fight you for glory and recognition?

Manny needs Marquez ONLY if he loses March 19. If he proves to be victorious against Erik Morales, his disposal of arguably 2 of the top featherweights of the past 10 years in 16 months would have already scratched his name in boxing history.

[SalvaDominicano]

Marquez's KO percentage is almost as good as Pac. **** alot of Peeps say he's as good a puncher as ERIK MORALES!!! If Marquez really was boxing smart, he'd realize that Salido had no business being in the ring w/ him and turned up the pace of the fight and beat the crap of Salido. Instead he cruised to an unsatifying and boring victory. I was ashamed because I told some casual boxing fans that JMM was a p4p top 10 fighter; as they watched JMM "go to work" they either doozed off to sleep or talked about other sports. Sure style is style, but if you're in a different class than your opponent, you should blow him out of the water.

why take the risk? if you're in higher class than your opponent y take the risk? jmm doesnt fight for the crowd to like him he fights to get things done. there was no reason to rush things and possibly get caught.. hint*hint. no really tho, if you cant appreciate jmm's quality and style then you appreciate slugging not boxing.