Pacqiao's Legacy is in Marquez's Hands

[Moon]

The hell w/ Marquez. Pac's legacy already started when he beat Barrera. AFter he beats Morales, rematches Barrera and then rematches Morales, with a few tune ups thrown in between, he'll acheive legendary status. By then Marquez won't be half the fighter he used to be, cause he'll be fighting nobodies and scrubs. Either Marquez will get KTFO by Pac or he won't even dare to step in the ropes w/ Pac. JMM ruined his career.

I went into Pac-JMM's fight wanting to see Pac take JMM's head cleanly off. I saw that happening in the first round and was screaming at the screen for Pac to kill em'. It was an awesome showing against a truly skilled boxer. Pac didn't kill em'. Truth is Pac didn't show Championship stuff after the first round. He let a "beat" man get back into that fight. When you have a 10-7 round, and your supoosed to the the Next Great Thing, you don't draw that fight.

By the way, you mention Pac beating Morales, Barrera and then maybe Morales again. Then you mention "tune-ups". Who does he fight in the tune-ups? Are you a Pac fan who's actually suggesting that Pac needs to get prepared for JMM? Say it isn't so! I thought Pac fans figured Pac could walk off the street and beat JMM, right? Or, have you got atleast a little respect for the one man that at Feather who has truly given Pac something to think about?

[AIR_KENG]

I went into Pac-JMM's fight wanting to see Pac take JMM's head cleanly off. I saw that happening in the first round and was screaming at the screen for Pac to kill em'. It was an awesome showing against a truly skilled boxer. Pac didn't kill em'. Truth is Pac didn't show Championship stuff after the first round. He let a "beat" man get back into that fight. When you have a 10-7 round, and your supoosed to the the Next Great Thing, you don't draw that fight.

By the way, you mention Pac beating Morales, Barrera and then maybe Morales again. Then you mention "tune-ups". Who does he fight in the tune-ups? Are you a Pac fan who's actually suggesting that Pac needs to get prepared for JMM? Say it isn't so! I thought Pac fans figured Pac could walk off the street and beat JMM, right? Or, have you got atleast a little respect for the one man that at Feather who has truly given Pac something to think about?

good point dude... i just like to point out, JMM was beat up in round 1 but pac also sustained injuries in that round so we really can't say what he could have done without those... equal respect for both fighters though... and i still say JMM is the toughest for manny among the three m's...

[the0source]

Let's assume that Pac beats Morales convincingly, because that's actually quite likely. Add that to Pac's complete domination of Barrera. So, there's Pac dominating two of the three top Feathers.

But Pac also got a very strange draw against Marquez, the other top Feather. Pac had him down three times in a round, but still couldn't take him out. In fact, Marquez adjusted and got that draw. If Pac was/is everything that you Pac lovers say, he'd have beat Marquez.

When Pac finishes off Morales, it's just him and JMM to sort-out who's truly Number 1 at Feather.

Yup thats the way it should be... after Morales, go straight to Marquez... if JMM, will price himself out again... that will only prove that he is afraid of the Pacman... and JMM, should just settle for patsy opponents... getting paid with crumbs and no Pay-per-view...
And Marquez will no longer have a right to ask for a bigger purse after Pac finishes off Morales...
Looking forward, Pacman no longer needs Marquez after he beats Morales...

Pacquiao-Morales, this will be one hell of a fight...

[Moon]

JMM doesnt even have a legacy to start with... he hasnt fought any of the two mexicans yet (Barrera and Morales)... he fought Salido last time and lasted the whole 12 rounds... Pacquiao could've dismissed Salido in 3 rounds...Pacman, would be willing and able to fight him, even inside JMM's living room... he doesnt backout and priced himself out of a fight...The guy who started this thread, placed a wrong title here... it should be the other way around...

Let's just assume you're right about JMM chickening out, that way we can move-on and actually discuss some facts.

First, you're right that Pac KO's Salido within 3. Pac is a KO guy and very fast and has good power in both hands. That's his style. It's not always pretty, because it looks very much the same each fight, with the same predictable head/hand/foot movements, but that's pac's effective style.

Marquez also beat Salido using his style. It's not the dramatic KO style that Pac brings, but it got him the win. Marquez is an expert counter puncher who takes the lead well also. He has ring skills that include great reflexes and overall well-rounded ability. He's just not the big KO guy that Pac is proving to be.

Pac brought everything he had against Marquez and it wasn't enough. He had JMM beatup and bloodied and down three times but couldn't finish him off. On the other hand, Pac badly beat Barrera and will probably beatup Morales. That just leaves one unsettled score, namely Marquez.

Pac might get one belt form Barrera in a rematch, but he really has nothing to prove against Marco. So, he needs to prove that he has that Championship stuff by facing the only guy at Feather who showed that Pac's speed/power doesn't always cut it.

[AIR_KENG]

Let's just assume you're right about JMM chickening out, that way we can move-on and actually discuss some facts.

First, you're right that Pac KO's Salido within 3. Pac is a KO guy and very fast and has good power in both hands. That's his style. It's not always pretty, because it looks very much the same each fight, with the same predictable head/hand/foot movements, but that's pac's effective style.

Marquez also beat Salido using his style. It's not the dramatic KO style that Pac brings, but it got him the win. Marquez is an expert counter puncher who takes the lead well also. He has ring skills that include great reflexes and overall well-rounded ability. He's just not the big KO guy that Pac is proving to be.

Pac brought everything he had against Marquez and it wasn't enough. He had JMM beatup and bloodied and down three times but couldn't finish him off. On the other hand, Pac badly beat Barrera and will probably beatup Morales. That just leaves one unsettled score, namely Marquez.

Pac might get one belt form Barrera in a rematch, but he really has nothing to prove against Marco. So, he needs to prove that he has that Championship stuff by facing the only guy at Feather who showed that Pac's speed/power doesn't always cut it.

JMM has the last say whether or not he will face manny. promoters and managers have no power when he wants to overprice himself... if MP-JMM 2 goes under another deal, then so be it... both of them have to prove who is the better fighter...

[Pullcounter]

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Then you mention "tune-ups". Who does he fight in the tune-ups? Are you a Pac fan who's actually suggesting that Pac needs to get prepared for JMM?

Pac don't need tune ups. Those tune-up fights are really more like stay busy fights like the 3k fight.

We know that Pac spooked the **** out of JMM cause he couldn't take care of business w/ a guy that had no business being in the ring w/ him (Salido). You'll never see JMM try to lead again EVER (even against scrubs like Salido)!!!

When Pac fights scrubs they get KOed. When PBF fights scrubs they get KOed. When Barrera fights scrubs they get KOed. When Morales fights scrubs, they get KOed. When JMM fight scrubs they don't even get bruised. Salido walked out of the ring looking the same as when he walked into it.

[Moon]

We know that Pac spooked the **** out of JMM cause he couldn't take care of business w/ a guy that had no business being in the ring w/ him (Salido). When Pac fights scrubs they get KOed. When PBF fights scrubs they get KOed. When Barrera fights scrubs they get KOed. When Morales fights scrubs, they get KOed. When JMM fight scrubs they don't even get bruised. Salido walked out of the ring looking the same as when he walked into it.

I like decisive wins. KO's do that for me very nicely. I also like boxing skill and endurance, you know, the stuff that Champions are made of. You know, the stuff that Pac ran-into against Marquez.

Pac is a KO king, whereas Marquez is a very skilled boxer with less KO status. But Pac did not KO Marquez, and Marquez did out-box Pac, that's simple to understand. Those two styles met in the ring and it was settled in the ring.

Fights are not won/lost based on the condition of a guy's face at the end of the 12th round, it's the cards. Pac brought his power/speed style to Marquez very early, but blew his load and Marquez's boxing style was more effective over the next eleven rounds. By the way, ever check Gatti's face after winning by decision?

Again, if you beleive that Pac spooked Marquez because of what you saw against Salido, you don't really know Marquez. That was typical Marquez in there, kinda' like Hopkins in some ways, just taking care of business and getting a win. No KO, but a win no less. That's boxing smart and Marquez always fights slightly above his opponents level, enough to get a win and preserve his brains for when he really needs to go to war, like with Pac in the rematch.

[the0source]

I like decisive wins. KO's do that for me very nicely. I also like boxing skill and endurance, you know, the stuff that Champions are made of. You know, the stuff that Pac ran-into against Marquez.

Pac is a KO king, whereas Marquez is a very skilled boxer with less KO status. But Pac did not KO Marquez, and Marquez did out-box Pac, that's simple to understand. Those two styles met in the ring and it was settled in the ring.

Fights are not won/lost based on the condition of a guy's face at the end of the 12th round, it's the cards. Pac brought his power/speed style to Marquez very early, but blew his load and Marquez's boxing style was more effective over the next eleven rounds. By the way, ever check Gatti's face after winning by decision?

Again, if you beleive that Pac spooked Marquez because of what you saw against Salido, you don't really know Marquez. That was typical Marquez in there, kinda' like Hopkins in some ways, just taking care of business and getting a win. No KO, but a win no less. That's boxing smart and Marquez always fights slightly above his opponents level, enough to get a win and preserve his brains for when he really needs to go to war, like with Pac in the rematch.

Yeah... he's smart alright... knows how to chicken out...

[JOM'S]

Truth is, if the earth stopped spinning today, the belt holders would go down in history as Champs. History would recall that Manny beat Ledwaba (badly I might add) and Sasakul, but would not have attained the Champion status that he wants at Feather. The world hasn't stopped, so Pac will continue to go after the current Feather belt holders, no question. But, even in beating Morales, Pac will still need Marquez. Beating Barrera again means nothing also.

By the way, when a Champ is tested like JMM was with Pac, and gets up after a first round beating to make it a draw, history will recall that he showed Champ heart in a title defense. If you disagree, then I suggest you don't know boxing history (i.e., Archie Moore ring a bell?). Pac fans want us to see that fight another way, their way. But it won't happen. Pac was simply a Contender who now remains a Contender, because he didn't beat JMM.

Let's be fair. Your'e right that Pac has some impressive wins to his credit. Likewise, JMMarquez has beat former world champions and top contenders as well. That is not a stretch, that's a fact. Marquez was also avoided for years by some fighters, including The Prince, who petitioned the WBO to allow him three voluntary fights instead of JMM !

Truth is, now Manny needs Marquez's belts my friend, and he'll have to go get them. Pac is not Marquez's mandatory, right? So, Manny will simply go through Morales and possibly Barrera again to get that mandatory status. Big deal. Many fighters have had to fight their way up to the belts, and built their legacy doing it?

The great irony here is that JMM has long been in the shadow of both Morales and Barrera. Strangely, Manny has helped unveil JMM by first taking out Barrera. Now Manny will probably beat Morales (my prediction) and make his way to Marquez again. Then it's truly Legacy time. Until Pac beats Marquez, his legacy will not be cemented in history.

i got your points on the belts, and if the world will stop now PAC will be only be a two time world champion, but you got to remember MAB also has a belt when and if PAC's next fight will be against MAB it will be for a SFW Belt and his legacy cemented as a three time world boxing champ ...

i don't agree with you that PAC's legacy depend on JMM but I do agree that PAC & JMM has to settle unfinished business and I really hope it will be soon, JMM don't have time on his side, IMHO the longer this fight happens the lesser chances JMM will win, so i hope we will see PAC-JMM 2 this year or at the latest by 2006, where we can safely say both guys are still at their peak ...

[nadz]

i got your points on the belts, and if the world will stop now PAC will be only be a two time world champion, but you got to remember MAB also has a belt when and if PAC's next fight will be against MAB it will be for a SFW Belt and his legacy cemented as a three time world boxing champ ...

i don't agree with you that PAC's legacy depend on JMM but I do agree that PAC & JMM has to settle unfinished business and I really hope it will be soon, JMM don't have time on his side, IMHO the longer this fight happens the lesser chances JMM will win, so i hope we will see PAC-JMM 2 this year or at the latest by 2006, where we can safely say both guys are still at their peak ...

If JMM-PAC 2 happens in 2006 and if PAC wins some JMM fans will say that he was defeated because of ageing and PAC is still on his prime.

lolz another excuses from jmm fans