On the subject of "quitting."

[bojangles1987]

It just depends on the fans that a particular fighter have.

Morales quit in his 3rd fight with Manny Pacquiao and no one sees him as a coward or gave him any crap for that.

Vitali Klitschko quit from an injury against Chris Byrd and I remember people at the time calling him a coward and quitter.

It all just depends on how people see it.

Morales was old, possibly struggling with weight, and had nothing to give. That was fine.

Vitali's was fine in my eyes as well, but when fans can point to other instances of fighters struggling through terrible shoulder injuries and winning, people will criticize Vitali for not doing the same.

IMO as long as you try, I can't really criticize. It's the fighters who walk away without trying or without any reason that bother me.

[umop-ap!sdn]

This video says it all - MC Hammer Too Legit to Quit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFCv86Olk8E

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

A quit is a quit.

No it's not...

Quitting or knowing when you have had enough is something in boxing that is frowned upon, especially by certain nationalities of fighters.

Mexicans are known to be tough in the ring, and have a never say die attitude. Of course there's been Mexicans who have "quit" in a fight. Oscar didn't come out for Pac, neither did Morales. Chavez had enough against Oscar and there's been others.

It's easy for fans to call fighters "quitters" I try and not do that. Taking a knee though is a bad one, I don't think Cotto is any less of a man for taking a knee, but submitting yourself to another man in that position does leave an impression in your mind.

Another man standing over you, as you take a knee to submit yourself to him is tough to do and even witness. Saying that, I do think that a fighters responsibility is to fight, the ref, corner and doctor are the one's who need to stop the fight if they think their fighter has had enough.

When a fighter like JMM or Marg says they are willing to die in the ring, I believe them and they have showed it to be true. Some may think it's just macho bull**** but in reality you have to have that attitude to excel in the ring.

The reason Ortiz was killed over what he did. Some may say he was saving his career and possibly life, but where is Ortiz now? He's gone from boxing, his heart is gone and he's the laughing stock of fans.

To quit or not to quit is the question and true warriors leave it to the people who are responsible for their health to do that for them.

[JJRod]

Morales was old, possibly struggling with weight, and had nothing to give. That was fine.

Vitali's was fine in my eyes as well, but when fans can point to other instances of fighters struggling through terrible shoulder injuries and winning, people will criticize Vitali for not doing the same.

IMO as long as you try, I can't really criticize. It's the fighters who walk away without trying or without any reason that bother me.

I agree. To me Both those fighters and many others had legit reasons for abandoning the fight. But for other fans, it wasn't OK.

[SouthPawHitman]

Cotto was taking a bunch of punishment against a monster in Tony Margarito...He was done. I don't have a problem with him quitting.

Same with Vitali...His shoulder was ****ed...I don't have a problem with him quitting.

Now a guy like Tor Hamer is just a joke. Quitting for basically no reason.

[EXPOSEDheroes]

I guarrantee if no puerto rican fighters had notable moments where they quit or had the perception of being quitters you'd have no problem with dissing other fighters from different nationalities who have done it.

Not so. I choose intelligence over lead-poisoned macho BS. Now keep it factual and admit that the clowns who go around calling everyone else a quitter, are not the Puerto Ricans on this forum.

If you are implying Cotto, he was spent, drinking his own blood for 9 rounds and tried to take an 8 count. His Corner threw the towel in. The very clowns who think he quit to plaster, are the first to praise Izzy Vasquez for quitting in the 3rd round with a busted nose. The same clowns to keep mum when a their fighter quits from his stool.

Any fan who is worthy of respect, is not going to be quick to imply going 11 rounds as Cotto did, is shameful.



Try harder.

[Mr.Fantastic]

No it's not...

Quitting or knowing when you have had enough is something in boxing that is frowned upon, especially by certain nationalities of fighters.

Mexicans are known to be tough in the ring, and have a never say die attitude. Of course there's been Mexicans who have "quit" in a fight. Oscar didn't come out for Pac, neither did Morales. Chavez had enough against Oscar and there's been others.

It's easy for fans to call fighters "quitters" I try and not do that. Taking a knee though is a bad one, I don't think Cotto is any less of a man for taking a knee, but submitting yourself to another man in that position does leave an impression in your mind.

Another man standing over you, as you take a knee to submit yourself to him is tough to do and even witness. Saying that, I do think that a fighters responsibility is to fight, the ref, corner and doctor are the one's who need to stop the fight if they think their fighter has had enough.

When a fighter like JMM or Marg says they are willing to die in the ring, I believe them and they have showed it to be true. Some may think it's just macho bull**** but in reality you have to have that attitude to excel in the ring.

The reason Ortiz was killed over what he did. Some may say he was saving his career and possibly life, but where is Ortiz now? He's gone from boxing, his heart is gone and he's the laughing stock of fans.

To quit or not to quit is the question and true warriors leave it to the people who are responsible for their health to do that for them.

I completely understand the different circumstances but in the end of the day, it's going to be viewed as a quit.
Hell some of my favorite fighters have quit. No matter what the circumstances were, if someone were to say that they quit, I honestly can't disagree with them.

[EXPOSEDheroes]

No it's not...

Quitting or knowing when you have had enough is something in boxing that is frowned upon, especially by certain nationalities of fighters.

Mexicans are known to be tough in the ring, and have a never say die attitude. Of course there's been Mexicans who have "quit" in a fight. Oscar didn't come out for Pac, neither did Morales. Chavez had enough against Oscar and there's been others.

It's easy for fans to call fighters "quitters" I try and not do that. Taking a knee though is a bad one, I don't think Cotto is any less of a man for taking a knee, but submitting yourself to another man in that position does leave an impression in your mind.

Another man standing over you, as you take a knee to submit yourself to him is tough to do and even witness. Saying that, I do think that a fighters responsibility is to fight, the ref, corner and doctor are the one's who need to stop the fight if they think their fighter has had enough.

When a fighter like JMM or Marg says they are willing to die in the ring, I believe them and they have showed it to be true. Some may think it's just macho bull**** but in reality you have to have that attitude to excel in the ring.

The reason Ortiz was killed over what he did. Some may say he was saving his career and possibly life, but where is Ortiz now? He's gone from boxing, his heart is gone and he's the laughing stock of fans.

To quit or not to quit is the question and true warriors leave it to the people who are responsible for their health to do that for them.

This is where we disagree. At least Cotto came out for the 11th round and gave his all until he had no choice. He could very well have pulled and Oscar, and stayed on his stool staring into space and quit after the 10th round. Or better yet, quit like Izzy in the 3rd round. NONE of those guys fought a guy with plaster wraps I should add.

True fans know Cotto gave it his all. He did not look up at Manny like Morales, and say "no... No..." early in the night. Would you say Morales looking up at Pac from his ass, is somehow more warrior than a dude trying to catch his breath on an 8 count?

Had Chavez taken a knee instead of chillin on his stool and submitting from a safe place (stool) something tells me you would not have the same opinion.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Surely you should know being from Puerto Rico?

[EXPOSEDheroes]

Surely you should know being from Puerto Rico?

Cool story.