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  • #21
    Originally posted by pigsfly View Post
    Circumstantial evidence is key things that you can directly tie JMM back to........(theres none)


    As i said. theres no evidence...............
    I don't know if you're trying to be technical or are a JMM fanboy.

    If you think a guy at his age who has shown very visible changes to his physique after hiring a known steroid chemist doesn't raise any red flags then you are naive. I know none of this is "hard" evidence but as a human being, you have the ability of reason and deduction, do you not?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Willthethrill View Post
      if you are a top athlete you are most likely on something lol
      This. Everyone is on something. Manny, Floyd, Wlad, BHOP, JMM, JCCjr. The list probably goes on. No evidence but that's my cynical viewpoint.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Ragnar Lothbrok View Post
        actually there is:






        Oh no, he is at it again. Don't try to reason with him, people. It's pointless.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Black Barty View Post
          Oh no, he is at it again. Don't try to reason with him, people. It's pointless.
          That's pretty fucking compelling right there. I'd say it's pointless to reason with people who deny his PED usage.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Slyboots View Post
            I don't know if you're trying to be technical or are a JMM fanboy.

            If you think a guy at his age who has shown very visible changes to his physique after hiring a known steroid chemist doesn't raise any red flags then you are naive. I know none of this is "hard" evidence but as a human being, you have the ability of reason and deduction, do you not?
            not exactly "proof" but definitely raising the red flags!

            PEDs in a business where the business is inflicting damage is a very dangerous path.

            year round random testing is the best option and people like Donaire, who has voluntarily enrolled for such a program, put Pac, JMM, Floyd, etc to shame imo.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by tokon View Post
              not exactly "proof" but definitely raising the red flags!

              PEDs in a business where the business is inflicting damage is a very dangerous path.

              year round random testing is the best option and people like Donaire, who has voluntarily enrolled for such a program, put Pac, JMM, Floyd, etc to shame imo.
              Year-round random testing is absolutely useless though unless it's done all across the board. The whole purpose is to protect both fighters. You cannot have one fighter doing random testing year-round, and then his opponent(s) are doing NOTHING.

              And if Donaire tests positive out of competition when he has no fight scheduled, will anything happen to him? NOPE! He's not going to get fined, suspended, nothing.

              Unless NSAC, California, and other Commissions demand out of competition random testing for the majority of fighters, it is useless unfortunately.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Slyboots View Post
                I don't know if you're trying to be technical or are a JMM fanboy.

                If you think a guy at his age who has shown very visible changes to his physique after hiring a known steroid chemist doesn't raise any red flags then you are naive. I know none of this is "hard" evidence but as a human being, you have the ability of reason and deduction, do you not?
                dude. it's not even Circumstantial evidence let alone "hard" evidence. it's 100% speculation. you said that it's Circumstantial evidence which is false & i was only correcting you..........


                Circumstantial evidence is: if A guy murdered someone & left his socks, shoes, finger prints at the crime scene which would tie them directly to that crime.

                or in JMM case needles, records of him ordering the drugs. other things as such.


                theres no evidence whats so ever............

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                • #28
                  the testing is easy for athletes to bypass, with all the money at stake you'd be ****** not to take peds

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by pigsfly View Post
                    dude. it's not even Circumstantial evidence let alone "hard" evidence. it's 100% speculation. you said that it's Circumstantial evidence which is false & i was only correcting you..........


                    Circumstantial evidence is: if A guy murdered someone & left his socks, shoes, finger prints at the crime scene which would tie them directly to that crime.

                    or in JMM case needles, records of him ordering the drugs. other things as such.


                    theres no evidence whats so ever............


                    Man, these dudes are funny.

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                    • #30
                      Isnt that interview like 3 years old?

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